Is MTD for IT (now HMRC's name for it) ...

... dying in full view?

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Unfortunately I suspect that my 'find' today has less to do with my unkind hopes (per title), and more to do with a curious reluctance by HMRC to use 'negative' words in their public pronouncements - although of course they could just be illiterate.

Yesterday's notifications included: "This service (MTD for IT) will be unavailable from 5pm on Tuesday 16 April to midday on Wednesday 17 April 2024".

Apart from noting that this was a singularly unhelpful notification (as it was received at 08:39am on 17 April!), I thought no more about it ... until this morning when I received a further notification at 08:41: "The service (MTD for IT) availability from 5pm on Tuesday 16 April to midday on Wednesday 17 April 2024 has been extended to midday Thursday 18 April 2024".

Presumably not the 'UNavailability' that the message intended to convey ... but it definitely seems to say 'you lucky pilot users now have a whole extra 24 hours (or at least the 3.5 remaining hours now that we've told you) in which to try using our deluxe system of the future'?

It is of course this attention to detail that enables the rest of us to sleep soundly whilst waiting with bated breath for our own opportunity to feast at the same table as those pilot users.

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By ireallyshouldknowthisbut
18th Apr 2024 14:29

Its been dead for some time. It just doesnt know it yet.

In horror movie terms its a Zombie with no personal awareness.

ie dead for years, thrashing about looking thretening but actually nothing to it other than dust and some wild thrasing.

Even those running the project must realise is dead and ruining their careers by being associatated with it. Hence why no-one sticks round too long at a senior level.

Given HMRC have lost all crediblity in this project they have zero chance of making it work without the suport of the software industry who after all are the ones who sold it to them in the first place, and accountants whoare supposed to deliver this thing. The only resonable response is giving zero f's about the data and filing anything at all into the void.

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By AdamJones82
18th Apr 2024 15:34

It really does shuffle along like a zombie in The Walking Dead, you can almost hear it screaming out to be shot and put out of its misery

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By Tornado
18th Apr 2024 16:51

"Its been dead for some time. It just doesnt know it yet."

It has been nailed to its perch to give the impression of being alive.

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By Postingcomments
18th Apr 2024 16:55

Jim Harrat the (totally not dead) parrot.

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By DJKL
18th Apr 2024 14:46

Now, I wonder if I can spin a legal claim that I gave up practice early in 2019 due to the impending MTD programme with which I did not want to participate and can I now have some compo please for my lost earnings- will need to find a solicitor belting along behind an ambulance.

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By Postingcomments
18th Apr 2024 16:37

I hope the software companies lose out and learn a lesson from this.

They whispered sweet nothings in HMRC's ear about data gathering and the tax gap in order to basically get them to legislate the use of their software.

Well, predictably, and at the very least, they are going to spend years shelling out more and more in development costs before they gather in any fees. Good.

When you do a deal with the devil, there is always a price to pay.

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By DKB-Sheffield
19th Apr 2024 13:44

Well... realistically... it's not the software companies that pay is it?

We all have used software where it is beneficial for the client... yet, our subscriptions are (and have been for many years) facing significant inflation on account of MTD development!

The software houses won't lose out, subscribers will cover their losses.

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By mumpin
18th Apr 2024 20:36

I sat through a one hour CIOT Webinar on MTD yesterday.
They reckon its full steam ahead.
£50k turnover threshold in first mandatory year
Dropping to £30k in second year
Yikes!

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By FactChecker
18th Apr 2024 22:54

Well they're sort of right ... first mandatory year is from April 2026 (those with an income of more than £50,000), and then from April 2027 (those with an income of more than £30,000).
But, at the risk of stating the obvious, they're only talking about "self-employed individuals and landlords" - not Partnerships, and with nothing that I've seen for those with 'hybrid' earning sources.
And there's absolutely NO sign of proposals (or indeed appetite) for tackling those with an income of more than £10,000 as originally promised/threatened.

However all the above is purely from the perspective of legislation ... whereas, back in the real world, there is no certainty yet as to how HMRC actually perceive 'a complete cycle of reporting' - most of which appears to have been reduced to a tiny subset of figures that are of absolutely no use to either the taxpayer or HMRC, and appear to assume that everyone uses the cash basis for their accounts.

TBH I'm not even sure any more as to how the 'income threshold' is ascertained ... from previous whole year (per some of the NI rules), per rolling 12 months (per VAT rules), or per some other averaging/forecasting methodology?
[The answer to that may be known - but I've lost the will to keep checking.]

And all that's before you even consider the twin 'foundations':
* the mandation of 'keeping digital records' (which seems to be heading the same way as it did with VAT where a spreadsheet will do if you use 'bridging software' to submit);
* the availability of full (record-keeping and submission) software, that just might hopefully integrate with your other systems, at a price that is affordable - but that doesn't add to your admin burden and/or take you backwards with regard to day-to-day functionality.

The software vendors have been badly burned already (some terminally) and we're all being asked to bow down before some idol that's still in shape-shifting mode.
So the failure that I'm projecting is only uncertain in that it's not yet clear whether the greater damage will be inflicted by refuseniks or by HMRC's systems imploding under untested conditions vs unspecified demands!

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By Tornado
19th Apr 2024 00:26

It may well be Full Steam Ahead, but I don't think there will be any passengers on the train.

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By FactChecker
19th Apr 2024 13:00

... and no-one wants to stay in the driver's cab once they've stepped in and taken a look at the (lack of) track ahead.

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By ireallyshouldknowthisbut
19th Apr 2024 09:21

I keep getting invited to ICAEW ones.

odd way to get one hours CPD, listen to a entirely theortical discussion about a system which aint happening.

I guess no odder than getting an hours CPD listening to an endless stream of sales pitches.

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By FactChecker
19th Apr 2024 13:16

Never understood how merely listening to someone deliver a talk became an act worthy of counting as CPD.

If all you want is a synopsis of how 'something' is *supposed* to work then that is usually available online - with a reduced danger of the 'viewer' falling asleep or wandering off to attend to the barking dog or whatever.
But if you really want to understand how this new 'something' will impact on your business (or that of your clients), you need a more interactive environment - like a workshop rather rather than a seminar.

When RTI arrived (and later AE and other wonders), I insisted on only delivering my 'pearls of wisdom' to small groups (12 max) - with the morning dedicated to lecture mode (questions welcomed/noted but generally not answered there & then) + the afternoon to a no-agenda workshop (sometimes prompted by the morning's questions but often just highlighting detailed 'wrinkles' specific to one employer).
Which is why I felt that was worthy of the CPD earned by attendees ... and why I refused to allow the day to be recorded 'for the benefit of others' (aka monetise but cheapen a valuable learning opportunity).

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By AdamJones82
19th Apr 2024 19:55

And those sort of organisations reckoned it was full steam ahead the time before that and the time before that and.,,,etc etc

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