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I have done a claim and all went smoothly. I did not come across a calculator, you just entered the dates and total figures you want to claim.  You do need the address of where bank statements are sent to and so if you have clients with an office/premises, may need to check with them first.

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By tltodman
20th Apr 2020 09:41

First client claim went smoothly. Next one just has "sorry we are experiencing technical difficulties, please try later" when you try to submit. Then after 15 minutes of trying - it logs you for for "inactivity" and you have to start from scratch. It's going to be a long day with lots of claims to make.

Next problem - "you cannot claim for more employees than you operate PAYE for". 7 people in the payroll, claim for 5 (of which 3 do not earn enough to pay tax/NI). Can I not claim for those - they are on my payroll and furloughed?

And a flipping nightmare to enter every employee/NI no separately - so much scope for error. I'm bracing myself for my client with 50 furloughed employees. Upload (like you can for >100 e'ees) would be so much easier

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By GSWB1954
20th Apr 2020 09:26

Maybe worth waiting until later in the week. I can't even work out how to log in!

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By JulianWebb
20th Apr 2020 09:17

How did you find the link to the portal? it does not seem to be on the Govt Gateway?

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By GHarr497688
20th Apr 2020 09:21

I have looked everywhere and can't find the portal , its not within my business tax account or clients GGA.

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By GHarr497688
20th Apr 2020 09:21

I have looked everywhere and can't find the portal , its not within my business tax account or clients GGA.

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By GHarr497688
20th Apr 2020 09:21

I have looked everywhere and can't find the portal , its not within my business tax account or clients GGA.

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By GHarr497688
20th Apr 2020 09:21

I have looked everywhere and can't find the portal , its not within my business tax account or clients GGA.

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By Wanderer
20th Apr 2020 09:24
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By GSWB1954
20th Apr 2020 10:16

Thanks for the link. I haven't gone into the portal yet but wonder what the end date should be? Clients have all given me a start date but are unsure as to when their furlough periods will end. Also, what should be reclaimed for April if that month's salary is higher than the March salary? Most of my directors have had their monthly wages increased from £715 in March to £790 in April.

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By Hazel Accounts
20th Apr 2020 11:01

To GSWB1954 - you can only claim upto 14 days in advance - no one knows end date yet so I'm just claimimg to end April and will do further claims in May as appropriate. Reclaim is to be based on February wages if monthly salaries so the £715 x 80% is amount to use

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By GSWB1954
20th Apr 2020 11:23

Many thanks Hazel Accounts. One more question. Are you charging and if so, how much?

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By GSWB1954
20th Apr 2020 11:23

Many thanks Hazel Accounts. One more question. Are you charging and if so, how much?

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By tltodman
20th Apr 2020 10:31

I logged into my agent account. Picked PAYE service then the client. Had to click onto a couple of random links (eg payments) and then "current client" & "bingo" page just pops up. It's very random and doesn't seem to have a link to go straight there, but it has worked by clicking on any old link for 3 clients so far

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By GSWB1954
20th Apr 2020 09:21

How did you manage to log in? There doesn't appear to be a link through the usual agents login page.

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By JB17
20th Apr 2020 09:46

I started at 8am, done claim for 5 companies totalling 159 employees.
All went absolutely fine, no issues whatsoever!
Only slightly annoying thing was having to enter every employees name and NINO, would have been handy to have a csv upload option but all in all I will take that!
Sorry to hear others having some issues.
James

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By Nicola Ed
20th Apr 2020 09:57

Hi did you make any claims for a mix of weekly and monthly pay periods in one PAYE reference.? Not sure how this would work for the claim period when the last week in April and the month of April end on different days?

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By jules66
20th Apr 2020 09:54

I didn't come across the calculator either.

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By JacF
20th Apr 2020 10:23

This is the link to the calculator -
https://www.tax.service.gov.uk/job-retention-scheme-calculator/claim-per...
I'm not very technical with links but hopefully it will work.
I've just calculated my first one and am concerned about the part week calculation, having already run payroll and submitted RTI for week 52 (first furlough week) then the figures are different. I know it's because furlough pay is calculated over 7 days rather than 5 working days I was using but how do I correct payroll? Is it as simple as amend and resubmit?

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By tltodman
20th Apr 2020 11:18

I'm not changing March payrolls. Instead I'm making an adjustment to the April pay. For my clients where there is a difference it was in the employees' favour and I could claim slightly more than they'd been paid, so in April I have a "prior month adjustment" pay element and have paid the extra £20 or whatever I have now been able to claim

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By Malek
20th Apr 2020 11:22

Hello everyone!

Will you charge your clients a fee for completing the claim? If so, how much? 

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By GHarr497688
20th Apr 2020 11:41

I note that Accountants are able to make claims for clients . Does anyone feel concerned that if we do make claims and we are given incorrect bank details or make unapproved claims we might be at risk of being sued. Would it be better to inform the client of the figures and let them make the actual claim . This is not covered in the engagement letters , not a tested system and as such open to abuse by some. Just a thought.

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By Jonny99
20th Apr 2020 11:59

hi,

We are a new company, our PAYE registration was not submitted until 24/03/20 even though our accountant had run payroll for Feb and March 20, however on registration form they stated our first payroll was run on 28/02/20. Do you know if this will cause a problem with claiming for JRS? Many thanks

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By I'msorryIhaven'taclue
20th Apr 2020 12:42

The govt calculator is throwing out wrong figures. Either that or I'm doing something fundamentally wrong.

For example, if I input a claim:

Start Date: 1/3/20
End Date: 30/4/20
Employee furloughed from: 1/3/20
Furlough ended?: Ongoing
Pay Periods: Monthly
Regular Amount: Yes
Gross Monthly Pay at 19/3/20: £715
Last Pay Date Prior to 1/3/20: 28/02/20
End of Next Pay period after 28/2/20: 31/3/20
End of Next Pay Period after 31/3/20: 30/04/20
Employee's Pay Date for Next Pay Period: 30/4/20
NI Category: A
Pension: No

Ok, so £715 x 80% = £572, but the resultant Furlough Amounts according to HMRC's Calculator are:
31 March 2020: £554.13
30 April 2020: £572

Hands up those who think the March figure should be £572.

In case I'm barking up the wrong tree I input the figures from HMRC's example calculation Smith Ltd from page 4 of its step by step guide for employers pdf booklet at https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-job-retention-sch... viz:

Start Date: 1/3/20
End Date: 31/3/20
Employee furloughed from: 21/3/20
Furlough ended?: Ongoing
Pay Periods: Monthly
Regular Amount: Yes
Gross Monthly Pay at 19/3/20: £2,400
Last Pay Date Prior to 1/3/20: 28/02/20
End of Next Pay period after 28/2/20: 31/3/20
NI Category: A
Pension: Yes

The HMRC calculator churns out a figure of £660 whereas the booklet's calcs say £681.30 for March. Extending the claim to 30th April makes no difference to March's £660 figure, although it does get April's figure right at £1,920.

The March ER NI figure of £71.92 per the calculator does not accord with HMRC's Smith Ltd figure of £74.03.

Am I missing something, or is HMRC's calculator pants?

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By Cath Walker
20th Apr 2020 13:42

I just had a eureka moment whist working out where HMRC got their figures from - the only explanation I could come up with was that they were saying that there were 32 days in March. My eureka moment was that there were 29 days in Feb, so if you put last pay day as 28 Feb, it counts 32 days until the next pay day at 31 March, so you need to be putting 29 Feb!!

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