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Moderation and Freeloaders

Moderation and Freeloaders

Given these two threads:-

https://www.accountingweb.co.uk/any-answers/can-i-run-these-two-business...

https://www.accountingweb.co.uk/any-answers/question-about-rolling-turno...

 

Do you think that Pirate0 is a suitable member for the forum? As an extention of this question, do you think that any freeloader is suitable for this forum?

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03rd Nov 2017 10:56

1. No
2. No

But, Sift's objectives do not coincide with ours. It's their business, not ours. So what can we do? We can vote with silent keyboards. Indeed, I walked away for nearly two years. I came back to a super-duper new site, a proliferation of anonymous posts and freeloader city.

Fat lot of good it did me. I have come to believe that agitation from inside the system like yours must have more effect than my personal and silent protest did (it couldn't have less), so more power to you.

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to andy.partridge
03rd Nov 2017 16:31

MrMe89 wrote:

Do you think that Pirate0 is a suitable member for the forum? As an extention of this question, do you think that any freeloader is suitable for this forum?

As a Freeloader myself (what? aside from my enjoyment of certain categories of question I contribute nothing to this forum, but I do sometimes ask questions of its users) I'm not feeling the hatred of users who take but don't give.

However that said I did follow the rolling turnover thread with something approaching horror, but only because it took a turn in the middle. If only Basil had been on hand to give him the chapter and verse from the start.

Also I have been the sort of user mentioned in this thread, who lives to answer questions, no matter how poorly researched or stupid, and it was on a forum where it was me, a few others of a similar mind, and then a dozen people who lived to post how annoying people asking stupid questions were. I was perfectly happy answering said questions (or I wouldn't have), I was not happy to be criticised for doing so by the other users (who were worse than freeloaders, as everything they said was negative).

One of the many reasons my helpful days have been left behind :)

#Edit# Hmmm, AW seems to have aimed that whole comment at Andy, that wasn't my intention, I think I clicked reply to his post rather than the whole thread, I've been away too long...

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By mrme89
to Constantly Confused
04th Nov 2017 10:42

The difference is, however, that you are far more likely to 1) ask the right question and 2) understand the responses.

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By Chris Mann
03rd Nov 2017 12:39

Come come, we've been here, many times before.
Indeed, only yesterday, I posted a comment to Tom;-

"There you are Tom. Good to hear from you.
Any further Aweb news, which you could impart?

I've certainly taken less interest of late which, from my point of view, is a shame. I value the Aweb community but, so often these days, I honestly believe that our opinions and views are overlooked, which is also a shame"

and, I'm not at all surprised that I haven't had any response.

As Andy will always say and, quite rightly, this is Sift's website and, we either partake or we don't. Whilst it takes some restraint, I'd imagine the easiest way to "edit" out the anonymous and freeloaders is simply to ignore the enquiry? It's something I actively try to achieve now and, certainly over the last couple of weeks, I've not commented on here, as I think the site has lost much of its appeal?

And, in fairness, who (at Aweb) really gives a 5h1t?

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By Ruddles
to Chris Mann
03rd Nov 2017 12:51

I agree, Chris. The problem is that, for some of us, there is a greater imbalance between the relative strengths of spirit and flesh.

I said some things yesterday that I was not particularly proud of (hence their deletion - by me). But that is the problem of trying to deal with half-wits who choose to ignore perfectly good responses to their questions and prefer instead to challenge and abuse.

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to Chris Mann
03rd Nov 2017 13:06

Chris Mann wrote:

And, in fairness, who (at Aweb) really gives a 5h1t?

+1 (as the young people say)

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03rd Nov 2017 13:07

I've reported a number of questions from 'same day' registrants who clearly are not "finance professionals", the claimed target audience of the site. I've not had the courtesy of any acknowledgement letalone a substantive response.

I assume Sift are happy with random freeloaders registering to ask one question (and then flouncing off when they are challenged) because they can then tell prospective advertisers that they are getting X number of new users every week.

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03rd Nov 2017 13:14

Once upon a time the main issue seemed to be those who charged for their 'expertise' coming on here with queries that a simple google search would have answered. Now the majority are freeloaders and those who don't appear to trust their advisers.

But as others say its only the number that matter to AWEB (although I wonder whether the stats support the 'development' of the website to its current end).

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03rd Nov 2017 14:02

IMHO the problem is not one of Sift's making at all. Albeit they do nothing to prevent it.

If these questions went unanswered, folk would get the message.

The problems, as evidenced in the recent thread, are fivefold, as far as I can see:
- people attempting to answer the question in the first place, when it is already obvious that the OP is a klewless fuchwit.
- people attempting to put the kewless fuchwit right, when they don't get the responses so far, despite it now being even more obvious that they're dealing with a klewless fuchwit.
- people then stopping by to make sure that the klewless fuchwit at least understands that they are a klewless fuchwit.
- Basil, who thinks he can succeed, where others are clearly failing, in educating the klewless fuchwit by means of a thesis.
- the likes of John (and, to be fair, some others) who just want to answer everything regardless. Even the likes of klewless fuchwits.

In my view, the odds are against there being change any time soon.

Excuse my use of the German term klewless fuchwit, which essentially means a lesser mortal of questionable intelligence.

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By Chris Mann
to Portia Nina Levin
03rd Nov 2017 13:49

So, there you have it;-

Leave the unanswered (and anonymous or freeloader type enquiries) unanswered.

A bit like hemorrhoids, if you can manage to avoid the involuntary itch, they will recover (*) much quicker.

(*) from personal experience.

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to Chris Mann
03rd Nov 2017 13:58

The difference of course is that topical applications are available. I have no idea why everybody's talking about them though.

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to Chris Mann
03rd Nov 2017 14:43

I can think straight away of at least 3 clever members whose first instinct is to help anyone who asks a question. That is their right. It only takes one of them for 'the plan' to fail. In fact, for the rest of the membership to ignore it would only make things worse if you think about it.

The solution is, therefore, at the registration end, but that will not be Sift's solution in the short or medium term.

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By Chris Mann
to andy.partridge
03rd Nov 2017 15:11

andy.partridge wrote:

In fact, for the rest of the membership to ignore it would only make things worse if you think about it.


Forgive me, you've lost me a little there Andy. Surely, if the rest of the membership ignores these "imposters", for want of a better word, given time, they would realise that this isn't a place for free unfettered advice?

It would of course take resolve, which I doubt the majority of members on here have. Indeed I'm not sure that I do either.

I do however strongly agree with you though, it's a question of registration status, which is an area of extreme weakness and, which has been ignored by the administrators within Aweb. This is why I've taken less of an interest in the forum in the last few weeks. If the website hierarchy can't be 4rsed, then why should I?

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to Chris Mann
03rd Nov 2017 15:29

Hello Chris

If the 'freeloaders' are gifted succinct and relevant answers by good contributors - some even have the patience to gently coax relevant information - it will elevate AnyAnswers to THE place for muggles to come and get free and personal accountancy and tax advice. In fact it will become the purpose of the site, if it isn't already.

Respected members such as Basil, John G, Lion, Paul S and others will happily lend a hand to all-comers. That is their right. No one here is going to persuade them they shouldn't.

It seems to me that if those answers are also interspersed with 'get off my land or I'll shoot you' type answers it might prove more offputting to the OPs! A crude solution to be sure.

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to andy.partridge
03rd Nov 2017 15:21

You misunderstand me, if you regard this as a "plan". My view is already that such a "plan" will always fail for the reasons you have stated.

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to Portia Nina Levin
03rd Nov 2017 15:31

No I don't. We are on the same team (heaven help me). My reply was to Chris.

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to Portia Nina Levin
03rd Nov 2017 15:10

Does "clueless" get censored?

Oh, apparently not.

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to SteLacca
03rd Nov 2017 15:19

No, I just wanted to use the proper German vernacular.

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By Tornado
03rd Nov 2017 13:59

From a business point of view, Sift make their money from advertising, so the bottom line is that the more people who visit the site, for whatever reason, the more money there is to be made. I don't think they lead us to believe anything different.

For a site that is free and is under no obligation at all to provide a specified service, almost anything goes. There is moderation and some people get banned for basic breaches of those rules (some on a regular basis), but overall you get what you see.

It should not really be expected of Sift to check each post and decide what is a worthy question or not, that is for us to do and act accordingly, respond or go down the pub.

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03rd Nov 2017 15:35

I've no problem providing they keep asking crap questions ,which I find very amusing

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By Chris Mann
03rd Nov 2017 15:36

At the end of the year I think it's appropriate to apologise for the dislocation the change caused and to assure you that we are trying to make it better.
By John Stokdyk
30th Dec 2016 13:04

"Trying" being the operative word?

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to Chris Mann
03rd Nov 2017 15:45

Chris Mann wrote:

At the end of the year I think it's appropriate to apologise for the dislocation the change caused and to assure you that we are trying to make it better.
By John Stokdyk
30th Dec 2016 13:04

"Trying" being the operative word?

And "Not" being the missing word.

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03rd Nov 2017 15:55

to be fair I think John inadvertently typed what he was thinking was the morally correct position but didn't mean to actually hit send.

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03rd Nov 2017 16:45

The problem with some freeloaders - and pirate0 is perhaps the worst example - is that, once you give them their answer, they won't believe it, whether it's favourable to them or not.

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By DJKL
to lionofludesch
03rd Nov 2017 22:06

FOURTH YORKSHIREMAN
Right. I had to get to the office in the morning at ten o'clock at night, half an hour before I went to bed, digest six Tolleys Tax annuals, memorise the Whillans indexation tables, work twenty-nine hours a day giving advice, and pay Anonymous Users for permission to answer their questions, and when all done SIFT and its moderators would ban us and suspend our accounts singing Hallelujah.

FIRST YORKSHIREMAN
And you try and tell the Anonymous Users the answer ..... they won't believe you.

ALL
They won't!

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to DJKL
04th Nov 2017 11:19

I remember those days too.

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