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MTD webinar this morning

Not a question - a prediction

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Eleven percent only of agents were 'confident' about MTD for VAT in the polling question this morning - one tenth! This with 12 days to go. What chance clients - err... customers having a clue?

Also noticed most of the questions were about problems experienced by agents when signing up the Agent Services Account.

The HMRC staff conducting the webinar seemed overwhelmed.

Desperate stuff.

 

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By GHarr497688
18th Mar 2019 11:32

Well I’m so stressed by their mess I’m in the emergency room with high BP - idiots

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By DaveyJonesLocker
18th Mar 2019 11:36

When will SOMEBODY in that department have some bloody common sense and make the whole thing voluntary or put it "on hold"?

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By GHarr497688
18th Mar 2019 11:58

They can’t lose face so make Joe Public suffer . That’s democracy !!!

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By DaveyJonesLocker
18th Mar 2019 14:24

I know somebody else like that who is supposedly our PM !

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By ireallyshouldknowthisbut
18th Mar 2019 11:37

Good of you to take one for the team and actually do one of those things.

I going to worry about it in 3 months.

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By GHarr497688
18th Mar 2019 11:51

I worry for the clients . 20 years ago sage was in place . Any clients would be on it by now if it was so good . My clients that are not on computer are not on it because they are not computer literaturate . What wrong with Mel Stride and Tereasa Middleton are they dumb ?

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By 0098087
18th Mar 2019 12:57

Software supplier can't understand how some clients don't want to use a computer. You can't force them

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By Tornado
18th Mar 2019 13:56

"What wrong with Mel Stride and Tereasa Middleton are they dumb ?"

I think they are actually ignorant of the what is really involved in this project. With their information only coming from Civil Servants with a propensity to make everything sound good, they should really know better.

You could say they are dumb for believing what they are told, but Mel Stride has clearly been set up as the scapegoat for this mess, and if he has not already realised this then I think he deserves all he is going to get.

As per other posters, thanks to all those that sit through these Webinars and report back to us, and also those keen types who want to sign up to everything from the start. Your enthusiasm is awesome, but some of us will only join in when it is all working properly.

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By Chris.Mann
18th Mar 2019 14:11

"You could say they are dumb for believing what they are told, but Mel Stride has clearly been set up as the scapegoat for this mess, and if he has not already realised this then I think he deserves all he is going to get".

It could have been much, much worse. Chris Grayling could have been given the "shout"!

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By lionofludesch
18th Mar 2019 18:08

GHarr497688 wrote:
. What wrong with Mel Stride and Tereasa Middleton are they dumb ?

Yes.

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By DaveyJonesLocker
18th Mar 2019 14:25

I have "attended" a few of their webinars, but the reguritated propaganda would put North Korea to shame so I've stopped bothering.

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By claudialowe
18th Mar 2019 12:19

I listened to it, and found it somewhat ironic that due to their systems being down, they were unable to complete a "live" test to show how it worked :-)

A related question, where do you find your AML number? The AAT are my AML supervisors, but I cannot find a number separate to my membership and license numbers anywhere.............

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By JasonDennis
18th Mar 2019 12:32

Hi Claudia

I entered my AAT license number and it seemed to accept that.

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By bernard michael
18th Mar 2019 12:48

What makes you think they pay any attention to the results? This is a PR exercise to prove they're doing something

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By GHarr497688
18th Mar 2019 13:32

As I sit in A and E with BP over 200 I really hope HMRC read this and feel shame .

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By CazzyT
18th Mar 2019 13:43

Get well soon.

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By ireallyshouldknowthisbut
18th Mar 2019 13:52

id not read any articles on Aweb about MTD if your heart pressure is through the roof.

Or Brexit.

Stick to the crossword.

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By GHarr497688
18th Mar 2019 14:32

Keep looking as once it’s scrapped I know I will go back to normal . If not scrapped made voluntary . Reading the mess they are making of it is bringing my BP down . Hmrc are not fit for purpose and now it’s all crumbling .

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By Tornado
18th Mar 2019 15:15

I hope you do feel better soon.

Seems like a good excuse to claim an exemption!

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By Tornado
18th Mar 2019 13:59

"Also noticed most of the questions were about problems experienced by agents when signing up the Agent Services Account."

That is mainly because HMRC are still writing the software!

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By DaveyJonesLocker
18th Mar 2019 14:23

To paraphrase a saying, if you stick enough monkeys in a HMRC room with a PC, will they eventually code a working MTD environment?

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By memyself-eye
18th Mar 2019 14:32

My strategy will be to apply for an exemption for all my VAT clients, which will be refused, at which point I will appeal the decision (during which I will continue using the current-non MTD- log in).
On current HMRC form that should occupy them or a year at least..

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By GHarr497688
18th Mar 2019 14:36

We must be mind readers ! I’m doing exactly the same . Let’s hope others do this . I wished I had never signed up for my own MTD . It’s added ages to the job and I’m less confident that things are correct . Complete opposite to what Hmrc say !!!

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By Tornado
18th Mar 2019 15:25

I am thinking of this as well. The rationale is easy, if my clients were capable of using accounting software, they would have done so years ago and not ask me to do it for them.

On the basis that the exemption relates to the capabilities of the individual regardless of whether they pay someone else to maintain their records or not, my view is that tens of thousands of exemption claims should succeed.

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By bernard michael
18th Mar 2019 15:04

Surely you only need one monkey

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By 0098087
18th Mar 2019 15:32

Thing is..why do we even need MTD. They are getting the same figures they got beforehand. Another example of politicians having no idea how the real world works.

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By GHarr497688
18th Mar 2019 15:40

Well it’s easy when the state pay you and you have a luxury office , expenses and are not even answerable to the House of Lords !!!

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By atleastisoundknowledgable...
18th Mar 2019 17:45

I’m in the ‘I’ll wait & see, get my ASA in June, register clients in July’ camp. My ‘Xero Account Manager’ couldn’t get their head around this approach when they spoke to me today.

Don’t get me wrong, all of my clients are on software, I just don’t want the headache of registering, not having my list of clients when I log in etc etc.

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By GHarr497688
18th Mar 2019 17:54

My clients are all manual and for a reason . Xero have no idea of what we have to deal with neither to Hmrc . Neither would last a day . You can lead the horse to water but you can’t make it drink .

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By Cheshire
19th Mar 2019 10:29

Dont all government departments (and many institutions) mean to force folk to drink, with their 'everyone MUST surely be online by now' attitudes.

Be it local gov where you cannot make a complaint about a bloody pot hole unless you sign up for an online account (or maybe thats just my local auth!), or the passport office, or low and behold HMRC - waterboarding r us.

My 85 year old uncle was told by his bank when his wife died that he needed a passport as ID to sort the estate. Absolutely no other ID would suffice. Due to looking my aunt for years who had Parkinson, surprise suprise his passport had expired and frankly he has said his is too old and infirm himself to ever travel abroad again.

Unfortunately the Bank staff insisted and more unfortunately he didnt talk to me/anyone else in the family before going to the post office to use their passport application process - which rejected because he couldnt provide an email address. That is until the postmaster popped his own email address on to the form, after the 5th attempt!

BTW, just to be clear, I agree with you. MTD is a complete farce, even more so than RTI.

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By lionofludesch
19th Mar 2019 10:38

Cheshire wrote:

BTW, just to be clear, I agree with you. MTD is a complete farce, even more so than RTI.

Well, I've changed my stance on RTI - partly because HMRC have changed theirs.

Their attitude towards late returns has softened mainly because they couldn't cope with the level of reasonable excuse defences. Originally, they sent a penalty notice and you appealed against it. Now you just tick box G or whatever and that's it.

It remains to be seen how MTD softens. I suspect probably not enough. No doubt there'll be plenty of work around for accountants and bookkeepers but it's work I don't particularly want.

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By Cheshire
19th Mar 2019 10:58

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Their attitude towards late returns has softened mainly because they couldn't cope with the level of reasonable excuse defences.

A practical stance, makes a change and its a welcome one.

But in lots of cases the damned thing still doesnt work. Take the farce over the Universal Credit situation. Folk who have more than one job - often a farce.

Problem, is, as ever, they never actually listen to the folk that have the experience to provide meangingful data about the real, genuine problems. Instead they assume issues are raised by the such folks just to avoid taxes.

Im seriously still keeping my head in the sand and still pondering retiring because I cant be ar -sed with the workarounds/hassle, despite the income possibilities.

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By johnhemming
19th Mar 2019 11:46

lionofludesch wrote:

It remains to be seen how MTD softens. I suspect probably not enough. No doubt there'll be plenty of work around for accountants and bookkeepers but it's work I don't particularly want.


I would expect MTD to start out pretty soft, but to gradually harden.
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By 0098087
19th Mar 2019 09:44

One client doesn't even know what a PAYE scheme, even though he's been on the PAYE for two years..and they want people to sign up for MTD!!

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By GHarr497688
19th Mar 2019 11:35

Laughing again , in Doctors and a couple come in to register - umpteen secretaries getting numerous forms out of LA files and laughing about number of forms that are needed just to register ! Have they not heard of Mfd for Doctors or are they more privelaged than Bob the Builder !

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By Cheshire
19th Mar 2019 12:04

They attempted to 'digitise' the NHS some years back. The whole thing failed miserably. Wasnt there a whitewash about it. Maybe they shouldve tried waterboarding then.

If you watch TV such programs always have staff carrying ipads. My local each doctor/nurse had literally a torn off strip of paper on which they hand wrote everything, it looked like the proverbial back of a fag packet. I did think that each doctor was asking about my background because they had no access to any of the previous scraps of paper, rather than making sure I was alert and still alive. (Treatment was superb, well Im still here!!)

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By Margaret Bell
19th Mar 2019 11:44

On the AML part, I am member firm of ICAEW - do I just enter my member ship number and what is the expiry date??
Thanks.

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By claudialowe
19th Mar 2019 13:16

Well, I have just managed to set up my ASA - I watched the webinar yesterday morning, and it was surprisingly easy and only took about 5 mins. Finding my UTR took the longest amount of time!

I'm not going to sign up any clients just yet though :-)

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By GHarr497688
19th Mar 2019 15:03

I signed up over 12 months ago . Signing up is the easy bit and Accountants struggle with this . Poor clients that’s all I can say !

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