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No deal Brexit email from HMRC

Why are HMRC still sending stuff out about no deal Brexit?

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I have received a customer email today inviting a client to a webinar about Brexit. It starts:

Dear customer,

The government has said that the UK will be leaving the EU on 31 Oc‌t‌ob‌er.

When the UK leaves the EU there will be immediate changes to the way UK businesses trade with the EU that may impact your business.

As things will only change in this way if we leave without a deal and Parliament have passed a law to say that they don't want to leave without a deal and instructed the PM to get a deal (in which case things won't change for two years) or get an extension why is HMRC sending these out ?

 

Frustrated!

 

 

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By carnmores
16th Sep 2019 09:26

2 things

EU may not allow another extension, UK by default would then have left

the legislation binding the executive to a particular course of action may not be enforceable , it will likely end in the SC

over the weekend i listened again to the Reith lectures by Sumption fascinating listening.

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By coolmanwithbeard
16th Sep 2019 09:29

Hi Carnmores

I understand the uncertainties but the tone is clearly there is only one outcome, no may or might.

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By carnmores
16th Sep 2019 20:47

and i voted remain!

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By SteLacca
16th Sep 2019 09:34

For the same reason that Boris maintains we are leaving on 31 October come what may. Because Government doesn't give a [***] about what the law says.

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By carnmores
16th Sep 2019 09:41

Sumption argued that passing a law does not give it legitamcy. I think that this is the case here when the no deal law was passed. Its a miserable piece of legislation. Anyway there are signs that DUP have awoken and smelt the coffee so expect movement there. N

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By GW
16th Sep 2019 09:54

My guess is that as usual nobody knows what is going on, with different groups pulling in different directions.

We have Michael Gove and the Cabinet Office dealing with no deal planning while Stephen Barclay and the Brexit department aparantly keeping their heads down.

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By Tim Vane
16th Sep 2019 10:22

Why the consternation? When you are driving towards a cliff and the steering is broken it makes perfect sense to advise passengers to brace themselves. The authorities are just being sensible.

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By atleastisoundknowledgable...
16th Sep 2019 17:19

Tim Vane wrote:

When you are driving towards a cliff and the steering is broken it makes perfect sense to advise passengers to brace themselves.

Or try the brakes?

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By Chris.Mann
16th Sep 2019 10:34

Signage on the M1, around South Yorkshire, is also highlighting "potential" change to documentation, from 1st November.

We've been in the dark for the last three years or so. From what I can see, we're still on a need to know basis, and we obviously don't need to know, too much, that is.

"Don't panic" - as Corporal Jones, would have said.

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Hallerud at Easter
By DJKL
16th Sep 2019 11:15

Back in March (just before the 29th) we took the ferry (with car) over to Rotterdam for our motor up to Sweden for the Easter holiday.

Back then UK Customs at Hull were checking on arrival at the port that we had a green card re insurance (that was a faff and a half with the insurance company who did NOT know what they were/were not doing- we nearly did not get it in time) and our newly acquired International Driving Permits- catch is they run as long as your licence runs and mine needs renewed next year so will have to get another one then.

There was very little publicity before 29th March from HMG re either- unless you did a bit of digging/looking yourself- and I suspect similar this time with a manic rise in activity right at the wire as individuals suddenly twig what they may (depends on what we agree or not between UK/EU) have to do.

For those who do not drive abroad, licence checks whilst not common are certainly not uncommon- one can in Sweden be driving along a not that busy A/B road and find a police cordon and all cars pulled in and documents checked- why you are required to carry your driving documents with you in Sweden.

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By JoF
16th Sep 2019 13:30

[quote=Chris.Mann]

Signage on the M1, around South Yorkshire, is also highlighting "potential" change to documentation, from 1st November.

What? Im going to need a passport now to get into Yorkshire? Panic, panic, panic, panic!!!!

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By legerman
16th Sep 2019 13:52

JoF wrote:

What? Im going to need a passport now to get into Yorkshire? Panic, panic, panic, panic!!!!

You've always needed a passport to enter God's own country J0, surely you knew that!!

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By atleastisoundknowledgable...
16th Sep 2019 17:21

Chris.Mann wrote:

Signage on the M1, around South Yorkshire, is also highlighting "potential" change to documentation, from 1st November.

It’s been on the M56 for a week-or-so as well.

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By kevinringer
20th Sep 2019 14:29

I've seen the motorway signs too. I note the 'may change'. Here we are with just over 1 month to go and over 3 years since the referendum and we don't know what's happening. Only politicians could get us in such a mess. Fiasco which for once we can't blame on HMRC.

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By johnhemming
16th Sep 2019 11:58

No-one knows and HMRC are subject to the direct will of the executive. It would be foolish of them to not give people contingent advice on a no-deal brexit.

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By carnmores
16th Sep 2019 12:31

if you login to your Gov gateway account today you may find a tailorable solution to what you need to do

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By Vaughan Blake1
16th Sep 2019 12:37

Best dig out those 'Keep calm and carry on' leaflets.

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By Vaughan Blake1
16th Sep 2019 12:37

Best dig out those 'Keep calm and carry on' leaflets.

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By SXGuy
16th Sep 2019 12:41

Boris has said we're still leaving deal or no deal. So what's the issue? Regardless of what law has been passed Boris only need ask and then refuse to accept. Its not a law compelling him to accept any old deal thrown at him.

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By johnhemming
16th Sep 2019 13:36

My guess is that you haven't read the act

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By legerman
16th Sep 2019 13:58

SXGuy wrote:

Boris has said we're still leaving deal or no deal. So what's the issue? Regardless of what law has been passed Boris only need ask and then refuse to accept. Its not a law compelling him to accept any old deal thrown at him.

With the law as it currently stands, he has to ask for an extension to 31st January. The EU can either a) grant the extension b) give a different extension or c) refuse an extension.

If b) he has to go back to Parliament and a vote will be held on whether that is acceptable, if it is the PM is legally bound to accept the extension

if c) We leave without a deal on 31st October.

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By ireallyshouldknowthisbut
16th Sep 2019 15:04

Re c, there are some "OR" which includes revoking Article 50. Not very likely, but id love to see it just to see how much of a froth the tabloids can get the Gammons in, screaming 'traitor' at the evil MP's trying to stop the UK splitting up and the economy looking like something out of the 1970's.

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By carnmores
16th Sep 2019 16:46

legal experts such as Sumption are saying that asking and refusing wont wash , imo they best avenue is a judicial review of the 19 October Act

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By Jholm
16th Sep 2019 16:21

Your opinions are very good and all..... but I'd like to get the Wetherspoons expert opinion too.

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A Putey FACA
By Arthur Putey
16th Sep 2019 18:48

I'll happily volunteer, just off there now.

What is also amusing are the radio ads, which play regularly during James O'Brien's show on LBC, which generally features arguing over Brexit (fish and passports, love it!)

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