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Have a new client who is already under Self-Assessment. Last year he started to do casual cash-in-hand work for a local business in addition to running his own small business. No P60 available. Is it best to just class this income as additional self-employment income? Thanks.

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By Accountant A
12th Sep 2019 20:30

What is the distinction between his "casual cash-in-hand work for a local business" and "his own small business"?

When you say "cash-in-hand" do you mean undocumented? If he is self-employed, why would he not simply do whatever he was doing and send an invoice?

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By EASTIE
12th Sep 2019 20:37

Both completely separate activities, cash in hand work in a separate sector. Yep undocumented.....

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By SteveHa
12th Sep 2019 21:25

Was it employment income? Was PAYE operated? So many unanswered questions that, if answered, would answer your question.

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By EASTIE
13th Sep 2019 07:30

Nothing operated. Casual work, cash in hand.....

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By lionofludesch
13th Sep 2019 07:57

EASTIE wrote:

Nothing operated. Casual work, cash in hand.....

There's no such thing as casual employment.

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By EASTIE
13th Sep 2019 08:30

Agreed. Thanks for advice....

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By lionofludesch
12th Sep 2019 22:17

Let's be blunt.

Is this an illegal under the counter, off the record employment ?

If so, file an SAR and include the income as employment income.

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By EASTIE
13th Sep 2019 07:29

Like blunt! Appears off the record. If filed as employment income then how to resolve lack of P60 issue? Thanks.

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By lionofludesch
13th Sep 2019 08:29

EASTIE wrote:

Like blunt! Appears off the record. If filed as employment income then how to resolve lack of P60 issue? Thanks.

Not your or your client's problem.

It's the employer's problem.

Your client can always express some amazement that the pay was not properly reported. Or was he himself complicit ? In which case, you need to disengage and file a SAR.

Don't get drawn into condoning this or accepting it as normal practice.

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By EASTIE
13th Sep 2019 08:28

Not complicit. Thanks for advice, v much appreciated.....

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By lionofludesch
13th Sep 2019 08:32

It is, of course, quite possible that this money was beneath the threshold for requiring a PAYE scheme. In which case, no offence has been committed.

As you give no numbers, we cannot say.

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