No payroll CJRS

Client has no payroll scheme

Didn't find your answer?

Client contacted me today to inform me they have 1 apprentice which they pay £185 a week cash in hand and have done since January. This is news to me. 
The client can not afford to pay apprentice until CJRS is set up, does anyone have any advice on this?

I'm reluctant to admit but I think the client will not qualify for the CJRS due to no payroll. Therefore what are the legal implications with paying said apprentice going forward. 

Replies (11)

Please login or register to join the discussion.

avatar
By NYB
07th Apr 2020 12:00

So quite simply he's cheated and only forced to come clean now when it suits.
I would say no with emphasis. The rules are quite clear. There was no payroll in existance. In any case you are now morally bound to set up a scheme backdated to the date apprentice started. I really have little sympathy for cheats.

Thanks (5)
Replying to NYB:
RLI
By lionofludesch
07th Apr 2020 14:14

NYB wrote:

So quite simply he's cheated and only forced to come clean now when it suits.

Who loses out ?

The apprentice.

Cheated out of his NI record.

Cheated out of his furlough pay.

Disengage from this client. You cannot act for this crook.

Thanks (1)
the sea otter
By memyself-eye
07th Apr 2020 14:03

Hoist with his own petard!

Thanks (0)
Replying to memyself-eye:
RLI
By lionofludesch
07th Apr 2020 14:15

memyself-eye wrote:

Hoist with his own petard!

Sadly not.

Thanks (0)
Replying to lionofludesch:
the sea otter
By memyself-eye
07th Apr 2020 18:56

Possibly - the apprentice will quit. He might say "I'm out"
I would.
I'm too old to be an apprentice though....
Unless that Debra Meadon takes me on!

Hope I didn't say that out loud.

Thanks (1)
Replying to memyself-eye:
RLI
By lionofludesch
07th Apr 2020 19:06

memyself-eye wrote:

Possibly - the apprentice will quit.

Yes - jobs are plentiful at the moment.

Thanks (0)
avatar
By Southwestbeancounter
07th Apr 2020 14:56

Oh they'll all be coming out of the woodwork now won't they?!!

The guidance is clear; he/she thinks thinks they have pulled the wool over your eyes whereas they have probably shot themselves in the proverbial foot!

Serves them right if there ever was an apprentice at all that is!!

Thanks (1)
Replying to Southwestbeancounter:
RLI
By lionofludesch
07th Apr 2020 15:02

Still fogged as to how this fella has lost out.

Thanks (0)
Replying to lionofludesch:
By SteveHa
07th Apr 2020 15:26

Well, the MLR report that surely follows could be the answer to that.

Thanks (0)
Replying to SteveHa:
the sea otter
By memyself-eye
07th Apr 2020 18:52

MLR!
Since when have those ever produced a result?
Go on, tell me than one in ten thousand has....

Thanks (1)
avatar
By AA90
07th Apr 2020 20:00

Thank you all for the responses. I have set up the payroll this afternoon and are to back date the payments (Started Jan 2020). I have told client to await possible fines/penalties! As said previous, I'm sure they'll be a few coming out of the woodwork!

ETA: I do agree the only person who really loses out is the young apprentice.

Thanks (0)