Oh no - It's Xmas greetings time again!

When we are socially obligated to add sentences to emails re Xmas and 2024

Didn't find your answer?

Got my first email today that finished with wishing me Happy Christmas and a great 2024 etc etc.

My heart sank.

I am now socially obligated to acknowledge this by adding in my own similar phrase.  If I don't, I will be considered rude.

How many times will I have to type this between now and Christmas?  Then for half of Jan I have to make at least some response to people's hopes that I had a good NY.  Again, multiple on multiple times. Ugh!

So tempted to pack up between Dec 15 and Jan 15 to avoid all this time wasting, email filling, sappy rubbish.

Could be worse.  If people go back to the 2020 trend of hoping that me and my "loved ones" are "safe", I will throw my laptop out of the window and leave it there for the birds and the foxes.

I'm not even being light hearted.  I really hate this email filling rubbish and having to participate in it.

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By paulhammett
13th Dec 2023 15:24

Feeling a bit grumpy today?

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By AdamJones82
13th Dec 2023 15:32

Sheesh, and I thought I was a miserable [***]

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By AdamJones82
13th Dec 2023 15:32

Can't believe that word was edited B U G G E R, really?!

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By I'msorryIhaven'taclue
13th Dec 2023 15:48

It's still to be legalised in 12 US states, so Aweb's American spellchecker disallows that word.

I wished our Openreach engineer a Merry Christmas after he'd been here all morning, and I have to say he looked a little disappointed. I badly want to say have a nice Christmas to our postman just to see whether he has a sense of humour!

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By Rgab1947
19th Dec 2023 15:40

He was hoping for an enveloppe.

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By Tom+Cross
13th Dec 2023 15:33

Dear, oh dear. What a bl00dy sanctimonious and ungrateful git you really are. Apparently, you dislike older people, particularly long serving and experienced accountants.
One week on Sunday, to the day, it will be two years since I had my second heart attack. I had life saving surgery at the end of January 2022 and thank goodness, each and every day, since.
I'm over the moon when someone takes the trouble to share Christmas and New Year greeetings.
Strangely enough, you don't seem to have cottoned on. You don't have to reply!
From what you say, on here, from time to time, you're going to have a very long and lonely life. But you'll have invited it.

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By I'msorryIhaven'taclue
13th Dec 2023 16:00

Tom+Cross wrote:

I had life saving surgery at the end of January 2022 and thank goodness, each and every day, since.

Merry Christmas, Tom!

It sounds as though you've kept your surgeon very busy ;)

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By Amy Chin
13th Dec 2023 18:16

Well said, Tom. A very merry Christmas to you!

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By Matrix
13th Dec 2023 16:05

Bah humbug.

I have been wishing everyone Happy Holidays for weeks.

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By SXGuy
13th Dec 2023 16:21

Accidently told someone I was closing for the Xmas period on the 25th,yesterday. Almost spat my tea out and had to quickly send a follow up email acknowledging my mistake.

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By DJKL
13th Dec 2023 16:21

I have sympathy for the OP

To me Christmas is about close family only (Wife, kids, kids spouses/other halves, Mother in Law, that is it, it extends no further) , so all the rest of the back slapping and cheerfulness can be perceived by me as mere hot air. Am happy for kids to go a bit manic, Christmas is a kids event-apart from the efforts on the food and drink side, which are for the benefit of the adults; you could feed kids selection boxes all day and they would not notice the difference.

One of my best fantasies (sad life, this is as depraved as I can get), is just eat All Day Breakfasts on Christmas Day , nothing else, forget turkey etc, good croissants, rolls, toast and marmalade (Jam for the poor souls who do not eat Marmalade) all the fried stuff usually forbidden , rinse and repeat through day (A divergence to Kedgeree and kippers is however acceptable)

I disapprove of Christmas Cards (soon cannot drive my car in central Edinburgh but people cut down trees to send me Robin pictures) but at least numbers of these keep dropping, Christmas songs I tolerate only when tree being put up but not more widely, I dislike presents from friends /family and whilst I do like Christmas a lot of it does irritate.

Now I still have my traditions, buy Radio Times to check what guff is on yet again (it is a habit dating back to the 70s, and I know it conflicts with my no cards sentiments- it was out yesterday), I do like a tin of homemade mincemeat pies (I like the leaky burnt bits), we used to be October cake makers until we worked out that cake supply was vastly greater than cake demand and I do generally take a long holiday, should finish next Wednesday back in on the third I think , and I stock up with drink and cigars.

Maybe it is the fact that years ago my sisters and I agreed no presents etc (though one does break the Covenant), or just my dour Scottish nature, but there will be no Merry Christmas bits appended to my e mails. (Mind you, I still write e mails like letters, starting most with Dear xxxxxxxxx and finishing Yours Sincerely so hardly relaxed and jovial communication the rest of the year)

Whilst not totally serious I do at times think Mr Scrooge was possibly very misunderstood.

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By Tornado
15th Dec 2023 13:12

Dear DJKL

Happy Christmas!

Yours Sincerely
Tornado

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By Tom Herbert
13th Dec 2023 16:28

Greetings of the season Postingcomments,

I hope this message finds you and your loved ones well. Sorry to hear about your spot of seasonal bother. Here at AccountingWEB, we take the issue of email padding very seriously and clamp down on unnecessary social niceties wherever we find them.

Warm wishes for a happy and healthy 2024, stay safe,

Tom

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By Amy Chin
13th Dec 2023 18:02

Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year from your friendly, festive editorial team here at AccountingWEB :-)

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By Justin Bryant
13th Dec 2023 16:33

Without wanting to sound too Scrooge-like, Xmas has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with Christ etc. if you can be bothered to investigate its history. It's merely all about arbitrary human choices. It's now of course been adopted with relish by big commerce for the usual obvious reasons.

Same with the New Year, that is a 100% arbitrary human choice and has no underlying relevance/significance whatsoever.

That said, I'm very happy with any excuse for a party etc.

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By DJKL
13th Dec 2023 16:51

Late Winter Solstice Celebration make you happier?

Appreciate the 24th/25th date is arbitrary (likely out by months), and yes, Jesus gets pretty thin coverage in say Josephus (who as a "prisoner" of the Romans likely has some bias in his history anyway), but does it really matter, we, like the Romans, adopt customs, traditions etc from all over the world and make them our own.

Give it fifty years and it will be a microwave turkey meal and a bottle of coke as the correct way to celebrate. Even now there are changes, daughter insists on Yorkshire Puddings with her turkey on Christmas Day, and frankly when did turkeys even take over, we never had turkey when I was younger but chicken, capon or goose.

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By Justin Bryant
13th Dec 2023 17:16

Most people certainly don't party like Romans these days, that's for sure. (More's the pity some might say.)

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By Tornado
15th Dec 2023 13:15

Justin Bryant wrote:

Most people certainly don't party like Romans these days, that's for sure. (More's the pity some might say.)

Speak for yourself

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By Tax Dragon
13th Dec 2023 17:39

Time saving tips:

have a Merry Christmas quick-key/shortcut (and others for people that consider that phrase offensive), or add it to your signature, or cut and paste;

sack your clients that wish you joy;

but most of all

cut down on the whinging and whining, especially the typed variety you post in here (as above).

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By Amy Chin
13th Dec 2023 18:11

Gosh, how dare anyone be so offensive as to wish you and your loved ones safe in a global pandemic?! It's a wonder you recovered from that barrage of abuse.

What a shame that kind wishes, festive sentiment and CHRISTMAS CARDS vex some of you so. I sent 70 cards this year, designed by my children. Perhaps I should be served with an asbo.

I would add to the stellar advice from Tax Dragon a book recommendation to enjoy over the Christmas break - A Christmas Carol by Charles Dickens, or better still watch the Muppets version. Guaranteed to thaw even the coldest of hearts.

Merry Christmas one and all <3

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By FactChecker
13th Dec 2023 20:50

I thought long and hard about bothering to reply on this thread ... but I'm neither a party-animal nor a curmudgeon (people here really do seem to like categorising others).

I'm with DJKL ("close family only" etc), if only because of one simple premise that gets lost in all the pontificating at this time of year.
Namely .. to each his (or her) own.

I have no problem in regard to whatever you (or anyone else) wishes to celebrate or use as an excuse for general jollification - but why should that place an onus on me to participate.
OP's reluctance to be 'forced' into 'common responses' - especially those with which he doesn't feel comfortable - only puts him in the same position as those who don't want to be told what political views are 'acceptable'.
Righteousness shouldn't be a one-way street!

I endorse your right to be surprised/offended/heart-broken if someone tries to tear down your beliefs (in this case relating to a modernist view of Christmas) - but don't you expect to offer the same rights to someone who doesn't share those beliefs (and wants to ignore them, not fight them)?

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By Tax Dragon
13th Dec 2023 21:38

No-one is forcing anyone to do anything. You don't have to return a smile with a smile, a (non-seasonal) greeting in kind, or a seasonal one in kind.

But I have learned the wisdom of the response "very well thanks and you?" - even when it is patently untrue. And I'm more than happy to have an excuse, at this time of year, to vary that standard response.

Not sure whether or where this all fits alongside your comment.

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By FactChecker
13th Dec 2023 22:48

Mea culpa ... if I think long & hard before replying, then I should take greater care with precision of wording.

When I mentioned a "reluctance to be 'forced' into 'common responses'" I did feel that 'forced' was slightly over-egging it (which is why I placed it within a pair of single quotation marks - a rather slang way of indicating fuzziness, I'll admit).

But the 'forcing' is real in the perception of the person being imposed upon ... in the same way that many people are certain they've a right to 'feel offended' by a remark that may well have been made innocuously.

And that was meant to be my point ...
... not taking sides but pointing out the apparent hypocrisy of expecting others to please you (I should say 'one' rather than you personally), whilst not respecting their right to have different views/beliefs/needs.
Hence my comment about righteousness being a balancing act.

And FWIW, if only to prove my gripe about the tendency for pigeon-holing, I don't fit any consistent series of behaviours you've mentioned.
I learned as a young child to smile at any stranger (even whilst they pronounced against my family) ... generally effective all my life, except for one occasion when the leader of a group of skinheads shouted "'oo yer f**ing laughing at you (epithet unprintable here)"!
On the other hand, I really hate being asked "how are you?" For years (actually decades) I would waste time asking if they really wanted to know (which would entail a lengthy answer) or were just soliciting an enquiry about themselves. This never went down well, so I now just ignore the question and change the topic (but have no idea if this is regarded as less or more rude)?

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By Tax Dragon
14th Dec 2023 05:51

The "how are you?" thing - I think we've discussed that before and you probably know I have similar traits/tendencies to you. But (taken uber-literally) that's a question. And it's always spoken, no-one starts an email "how are you?"; in email form I get "Hi/Dear Tax Dragon, I hope you are well..."

Questions demand responses. Well wishes and the like, including those of the season, don't. (And the fact that they are written makes them far easier to ignore, if that is your preference.)

I think we are over-analysing.

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By FactChecker
14th Dec 2023 14:20

Fair enough ... I'll absent myself from the psychiatrist's couch - and wish you and the little one (for whom it's probably more exciting) whatever you ask for in 2024 and beyond.

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By DJKL
13th Dec 2023 22:17

Reading Christmas Carol imho cannot in itself convert, I first read it as a set book in first year of secondary school (thank you Ms Wallis for instilling in me a love of Dickens), Dickens then featured heavily for a term in Eng lit 2 at Uni, over the years I have probably read it 6-7 times (I now have a copy with colour illustrations that I likely will read over the holiday and have over the years read all but one of Dicken's novels (I have been saving a Tale of Two Cities) but the fact is life has moved on from the time of Dicken's "creating" Christmas, Want and Ignorance whilst not eliminated are lessened (in fact with a free school system ignorance is to a degree self inflicted by ignorant parents not valuing what they have free in front of them for their children)

The problem with Christmas is the jolly greetings are just not genuine, they are lip service, spend a week saying Merry Christmas but doing little for mankind for the other 51 weeks, that is not the true message of "A Christmas Carol"

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By snookerbob
14th Dec 2023 10:10

A Tale of Two Cities would seem appropriate today - "It was the best of times, it was the worst of times, it was the age of wisdom, it was the age of foolishness"

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By bernard michael
14th Dec 2023 10:31

snookerbob wrote:

A Tale of Two Cities would seem appropriate today - "It was the best of times, it was the worst of times, it was the age of wisdom, it was the age of foolishness"

It was the time of SAR

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By Dib
14th Dec 2023 13:26

And don't forget Blackadder's Christmas Carol.

Season's greetings to one and all. ;o)

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By Beach Accountancy
19th Dec 2023 19:59

The film that keeps on giving:

"You are such an idiot"
"Thank you for making me a part of this"
Michael Caine singing

And the bookkeepers get Christmas presents!

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By lionofludesch
14th Dec 2023 08:01

Well, at least the evenings start getting lighter from tonight.

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By spilly
14th Dec 2023 08:45

Does that not happen after the solstice on the 21st? I think you may be a bit previous if you say it’s from tonight.

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By Leywood
14th Dec 2023 09:02

I thought the same and that we had another week for dreary short daylight hours.

I vote 14th. Can voting change such things? I do hope so.

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By lionofludesch
14th Dec 2023 11:31

spilly wrote:

Does that not happen after the solstice on the 21st? I think you may be a bit previous if you say it’s from tonight.

Schoolboy error, I'm afraid. Earliest sunset is tonight, tomorrow, it'll be four seconds later. The days continue to get shorter until the solstice and the latest sunrise is around 31st December.

It's to do with the equation of time, which is the difference between clock time and the time when the sun crosses the meridian. The cause of that is that, whilst the Earth's rotation is constant, its speed around the sun is not as the Eath's orbit is not circular. As Johannes Kepler used to say in his second law, the radius vector sweeps out equal areas in equal times.

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By Tom+Cross
14th Dec 2023 10:08

Unfortunately the shortest day, officially, is Friday 22nd December 2023 at 03.27

The BBC weather app would suggest that the sunsets at 15.52 even on the 27th December 2023.

My early morning dog walking, in the dark, has still some way to go.

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By I'msorryIhaven'taclue
14th Dec 2023 10:20

lionofludesch wrote:

Well, at least the evenings start getting lighter from tonight.

Sheffield's turned on its Christmas lights?

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By Tom+Cross
14th Dec 2023 10:51

During my early development in Sheffield, they used to use some of the illuminations, from Blackpool and they were the envy of the North.
I still remember the "last night of the trams" 8th October 1960.
They were reintroduced on 21st March 1994 - as Supertram. Unfortunately, the original design was scaled back and the project really only delivers to Sheffield and Rotherham.
I left Sheffield almost 7 years ago and moved to Nottinghamshire, a county which I thoroughly enjoy.

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By I'msorryIhaven'taclue
15th Dec 2023 10:06

"The envy of the North." You guys really know how to live!

Down here in the soft South, Torbay Council unveiled its exciting "Bay of Lights Illumination Trail" for the festive season only to p*ss on its chips by chopping down dozens of century-old palm trees in its seafront gardens that would ordinarily have been lit. Did they really think no-one would notice!

I've never stopped off in Nottinghamshire - nor for that matter Sheffield, inviting though it looks - when motoring through on the M1. High on my bucket-list is a trip to Sherwood Forest to visit the very unusual burial place of Robin Hood.

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By lionofludesch
15th Dec 2023 10:14

I&#039;msorryIhaven&#039;taclue wrote:

"The envy of the North." You guys really know how to live!

Down here in the soft South, Torbay Council unveiled its exciting "Bay of Lights Illumination Trail" for the festive season only to p*ss on its chips by chopping down dozens of century-old palm trees in its seafront gardens that would ordinarily have been lit. Did they really think no-one would notice!

I've never stopped off in Nottinghamshire - nor for that matter Sheffield, inviting though it looks - when motoring through on the M1. High on my bucket-list is a trip to Sherwood Forest to visit the very unusual burial place of Robin Hood.

He's buried near Hartshead Services on the M62.

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By I'msorryIhaven'taclue
15th Dec 2023 10:24

He's buried in a very unusual place at the Blue Boar Inn.

Legend has it that when Robin Hood lay on his deathbed by an open window in the Blue Boar Inn, he asked for his bow and arrow to be brought to him. He told Little John and Maid Marion he wanted to fire his bow one last time and wherever the arrow landed, that was where they should bury him.

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By lionofludesch
15th Dec 2023 10:35

I&#039;msorryIhaven&#039;taclue wrote:

He's buried in a very unusual place at the Blue Boar Inn.

Legend has it that when Robin Hood lay on his deathbed by an open window in the Blue Boar Inn, he asked for his bow and arrow to be brought to him. He told Little John and Maid Marion he wanted to fire his bow one last time and wherever the arrow landed, that was where they should bury him.

Legend has it that he died at Kirklees Priory. Which is a fair step from Nottinghamshire.

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By Tom+Cross
15th Dec 2023 11:28

Little John is buried at Hathersage, in Derbyshire

https://robinhood-loxley.weebly.com/hathersage-little-johns-grave.html

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By lionofludesch
15th Dec 2023 11:34

Tom+Cross wrote:

Little John is buried at Hathersage, in Derbyshire

https://robinhood-loxley.weebly.com/hathersage-little-johns-grave.html

Yes he is.

Don't even ask Welsh folk about Gelert, though.

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By bernard michael
14th Dec 2023 09:54

I don't bother to put in a message and it's had no effect on my business but then I'm known far and wide to dislike the enforced Christmas situation so perhaps I am forgiven.

Ho B....y Ho!!!

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By SteveHa
14th Dec 2023 13:23

I don't do Christmas (If Saturnalia was still a thing I could maybe be tempted to join in with that), but I still wish clients Merry Christmas, etc. It's socially expected, and maintains good relations.

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By FactChecker
14th Dec 2023 14:12

You may need to re-locate ... https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-merseyside-67680824 (if you believe the BBC).

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15th Dec 2023 11:54

I live in deepest, darkest Wales. I'm sure I can find a few Pagans knocking about around here.

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By Tax Dragon
15th Dec 2023 13:22

I skimmed through the new posts too fast. I thought for a moment you said Penguins.

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By SteveHa
15th Dec 2023 13:27

Could have been worse. One of my colleagues said, in a Teams message, that he enjoyed Wonka last night but there was too much singing.

I misread that, first time.

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By Tax Dragon
15th Dec 2023 13:39

This kind of attention to detail must be why we work in tax.

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