Overseas travel in EU using HMRC Subsistence rates

What is a fair way of interpreting the HMRC overseas subsistence rates?

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I am travelling with the EU to take photos for clients in Italy and also edit the photos, take meetings etc. At the same time I will also be doing some work remotely for UK clients, this work is time critical so I could not return to the UK to do this work.

I will not be working at weekends but I may still do some remote work for UK clients at weekends

I have driven here as I am carrying a lot of expensive equipment which  am using on the jobs, the total time here will be 4 weeks.

My interpretation of the HMRC rates are this:

Accommodation and mileage is paid for by my company 

Daily Residual rates for Italy (€90) - I will take 50% is this

I cannot reasonable separate actual subsitence costs for the trip as the personal and work overlaps wuite a bit so I assume I can use the HMRC residual rate (excluding room rate)

Is this a fair intepretation of the rules? I asked HMRC but they we're a very vague on the helpline.

Thanks

 

Carl

 

 

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By David Ex
28th Apr 2022 10:18

carloconnell wrote:

I asked HMRC but they we're a very vague on the helpline.

HMRC should never be used as a source of advice. If you don’t have an accountant, could I ask why?

Have you considered whether you have any tax obligations in the countries where you are working?

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By accountantccole
28th Apr 2022 10:26

And visas if not an EU citizen

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By David Ex
28th Apr 2022 10:53

carloconnell wrote:

I asked HMRC but they we're a very vague on the helpline.

 

You were told in January not to expect advice from HMRC. Why then did you ask them?

Anyway, good luck sorting out the mess you’re getting yourself into by declining to pay for professional advice.

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By User deleted
28th Apr 2022 13:46

What do you think you gain by replying in such a manner? It's incredibly unhelpful and frankly rude.

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By DKB-Sheffield
28th Apr 2022 14:44

Whether you take David's response as rude is down to you personal perception.

'Unhelpful' though... it most definitely isn't!

Rule 1... don't rely on HMRC's call handlers for specific tax advice!

Rule 2... don't use a forum of complete strangers for specific tax advice!

Not everyone on a forum knows enough about every subject to answer questions (but often do anyway). Those who do have the prerequistite knowledge of the subject often don't have the required knowledge of your circumstances to provide a specific answer.

Whilst it may seem you think you know sufficient to avoid wasting money on professional advice, that may not be the case. Would you repair your own boiler based on plumbingweb.co.uk? Would you treat an illness yourself based on a single call to NHS 111?

AWeb can be a great companion. It is not, however, your 'tax soulmate'.

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By Max Maxwell
28th Apr 2022 16:31

DKB-Sheffield wrote:

Whether you take David's response as rude is down to you personal perception.

'Unhelpful' though... it most definitely isn't!

Rule 1... don't rely on HMRC's call handlers for specific tax advice!

Rule 2... don't use a forum of complete strangers for specific tax advice!

Not everyone on a forum knows enough about every subject to answer questions (but often do anyway). Those who do have the prerequistite knowledge of the subject often don't have the required knowledge of your circumstances to provide a specific answer.

Whilst it may seem you think you know sufficient to avoid wasting money on professional advice, that may not be the case. Would you repair your own boiler based on plumbingweb.co.uk? Would you treat an illness yourself based on a single call to NHS 111?

AWeb can be a great companion. It is not, however, your 'tax soulmate'.

Well said!

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By Leywood
28th Apr 2022 17:00

Max Maxwell wrote:

DKB-Sheffield wrote:

Whether you take David's response as rude is down to you personal perception.

'Unhelpful' though... it most definitely isn't!

Rule 1... don't rely on HMRC's call handlers for specific tax advice!

Rule 2... don't use a forum of complete strangers for specific tax advice!

Not everyone on a forum knows enough about every subject to answer questions (but often do anyway). Those who do have the prerequistite knowledge of the subject often don't have the required knowledge of your circumstances to provide a specific answer.

Whilst it may seem you think you know sufficient to avoid wasting money on professional advice, that may not be the case. Would you repair your own boiler based on plumbingweb.co.uk? Would you treat an illness yourself based on a single call to NHS 111?

AWeb can be a great companion. It is not, however, your 'tax soulmate'.

Well said!

+1.

OP its really rude to expect tax and Accountancy advice for free when you should be paying for it. This is not a forum for free advice for business owners.

You have been told not to take advice from HMRC before. Its rude to ignore good advice.

David - yes, its bizarre!

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