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2021 ITRs - late already?

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Received three £100 penalty notices for late 2020/21 tax returns this morning.  Any advance?

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By Not Anonymous
25th Jan 2022 20:04

Late filed paper returns?

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By Open all hours
26th Jan 2022 06:37

No.

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By rmillaree
25th Jan 2022 20:06

were they submitted late ? if they were then the penalties shouldnt be a surprise.

If they are wrongly issued then given em hell (agent helpline) - think i once got a penalty 2 weeks into the tax year so nothing is impossible when it comes hmrc isuing wrong un penalties humble pie eat they will wrong if - my mate yoda says.

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By More unearned luck
25th Jan 2022 20:54

Classic client error: You send the client a paper return to approve and sign with the instruction to return it to you, but client sends straight to HMRC where it arrives after 31/10.

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By Open all hours
26th Jan 2022 06:38

No.

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By mbee1
26th Jan 2022 11:38

More unearned luck wrote:

Classic client error: You send the client a paper return to approve and sign with the instruction to return it to you, but client sends straight to HMRC where it arrives after 31/10.


Although this shouldn't happen if the systems are in place within the practice. Despite the number of clients we deal with here I can name all the paper returns I have to do. Personally none although colleagues have an odd one or two but they are very few and far between.
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By Mr_awol
26th Jan 2022 16:40

Whilst i also send very few out by paper these days i don't see how this "shouldnt happen if the systems are in place within the practice". Unless you are assuming that electronic signatures is the 'only' or even 'best' way - an assuming as sweeping as it is incorrect. Despite moving largely to e-signature personally (as my preferred method of working) i am not arrogant enough to think that just because i choose to do so, anyone who hasn't made this change must be doing it 'wrong'.

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By paulhammett
26th Jan 2022 08:17

OP - a bit more detail than a one line question would be helpful.

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By Open all hours
27th Jan 2022 17:51

Sorry, the three separate letters from HMRC advising that penalties were due on three separate cases a week before the filing deadline. We never send paper returns. Just wondering if it was unusual, unique or part of a trend.

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By memyself-eye
26th Jan 2022 09:33

penalties were from a call centre in Kolkata, India?

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By Open all hours
27th Jan 2022 17:51

No, posted from HMRC without question.

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By bernard michael
26th Jan 2022 09:35

With the latest amnesty until end Feb submissions are you sure it's not a scam

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By Joe Alderson
26th Jan 2022 12:58

There is insufficient information here, can you be certain the clients didn't post paper returns to HMRC? The deadline for electronic returns hasn't passed, and the automatic £100 penalty for late electronic returns isn't being issued from 1st Feb this year either.

You just keep saying "no" when people make suggestions without providing enough information in your OP or context in your responses. Therefore I don't think I can help you.

I assume you have checked your agent account to confirm when the returns were filed and that the dates match the date you submitted them electronically and confirmed the penalty does exist on the clients account and it's not a scam of some sort.

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By Open all hours
27th Jan 2022 17:54

Sorry, no question of paper returns. Wondering whether this was unusual, unique or part of a trend. Written notices from HMRC a week before the deadline. Certainly not a scam. Thanks.

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By indomitable
28th Jan 2022 14:51

Unusual seriously? HMRC issuing penalty notices before the deadline if they are online? This is either a scam, a serious error on HMRC's part (unlikely as these come out automatically) or you have misunderstood something

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By lionofludesch
26th Jan 2022 16:04

Is it a guessing game ?

We don't even know if the returns have been submitted at all.

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By rmillaree
26th Jan 2022 17:55

No
Yes
don't know

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By CptCave
28th Jan 2022 11:14

I've seen this. Late filing penalty issued for a partnership on 18th Jan 2022 for 2020/21 which is not yet filed but hoping to have it submitted today.

Shocking behaviour from HMRC.

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By hl45
28th Jan 2022 12:13

At the beginning of the month I contacted HMRC regarding a tax return for a deceased client, 2020 was his final return so clearly 2021 would not be due

Two weeks later I received a late penalty notice, dated 11th January 2022, for said return due 31st January 2022. After an hour on the phone to them querying said penalty was told that when they amended the record it triggered the penalty

The next day I received a letter dated 6th January 2022 stating the account had been closed and no further returns were due!

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By lionofludesch
28th Jan 2022 12:24

hl45 wrote:

At the beginning of the month I contacted HMRC regarding a tax return for a deceased client, 2020 was his final return so clearly 2021 would not be due

Two weeks later I received a late penalty notice, dated 11th January 2022, for said return due 31st January 2022. After an hour on the phone to them querying said penalty was told that when they amended the record it triggered the penalty

The next day I received a letter dated 6th January 2022 stating the account had been closed and no further returns were due!

Astonishing.

This is the easy stuff.

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By sparish
28th Jan 2022 14:34

I recently received a bizarre 2021/22 tax calculation for myself. The numbers were all over the place, obviously mostly estimates as the tax year is not yet complete. So it seems their systems are automatically churning out things with no-one sense-checking them.

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By Ajtms
28th Jan 2022 15:28

Was it a SA900 Trust Return? I used to get dozens of erroneous penalty notices for returns electronically filed from 1 November to 31 January. HMRC seem to have now fixed that problem after I claimed lots of compensation for my clients.

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