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Please can anyone help with money soft CIS

I have been told by HMRC I am submitting CIS suffered too early

So basically they have said to call hmrc employers help line to see if they can help. Money soft said I seem to be doing it right. I use money soft payroll manager and after the 5th of every month between then and the 19th I enter cis suffered. So for 6th October to the 5th November I enter it in to October’s box. I don’t then submit any specific report it just sends it over with the next payroll week I submit. What am I doing wrong ? 

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07th Dec 2017 22:04

Sounds right to me.

Presumably you are recording this via the "Employer" and "CIS Suffered" keys? Sounds correct to me??

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to johnny fartpants
08th Dec 2017 10:25

Yes that’s how I am doing it. HMRC are confusing me saying I am submitting it too early ?

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By DMGbus
to Claire12345
08th Dec 2017 13:54

One of the software packages that I use for submitting EPS (CIS credit claim) defaults to giving / stating the current month rather than the just ended tax month.
Eg. At today's date it defaults to month ended 5th January 2018, but when I am today submitting for month ended 5th Dec 2017 I have to change the default month ended date to 5th Dec 2017.

So check the date that your software defaults to, just in case it does the same.

Some HMRC guidance that I have seen says month ended 5th Dec 2017 EPS should be submitted in the time window of 6th to 19th December 2017. So, if a software package submits an EPS (CIS credit claim) now (8th Dec 2017) and indicates to HMRC in the submission that it is for month ended 5th Jan 2018 then I can understand why HMRC might query it - submitted too soon.

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07th Dec 2017 22:19

Are you recording the suffering when the invoice is raised or when it is paid?

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08th Dec 2017 08:12

One thing you are doing wrong is failing to submit an EPS to report the CIS tax suffered each month - preferably by the 19th of the following month, but it does not really matter. If you submit the EPS before the 6th, Moneysoft (not HMRC) will pop up a warning message that it is not due before the 6th, but you can still go ahead and submit it.
EPSs actually report YTD figures rather than the individual month's figures for all items included in them - not only CIS tax suffered, but also SMP recovery, etc.

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08th Dec 2017 08:35

Could be that you're submitting your claim for CIS before the company deducting the money has sent their return in.

It's the only thing I can think of.

Carry on as you are. If HMRC get back to you, ask them to refer it to someone of a higher grade.

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to lionofludesch
08th Dec 2017 10:29

Well I do wait till I get the cis certificates from them to make sure I am entering the correct cis suffered so I can’t see that’s been the case. Thanks

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to Claire12345
08th Dec 2017 11:35

It doesn't mean that HMRC have got the money.

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09th Dec 2017 16:38

Claire12345 wrote:

I use money soft payroll manager ... I enter cis suffered. ... I don’t then submit any specific report it just sends it over with the next payroll week I submit. What am I doing wrong ?

Neither Moneysoft nor, I suspect, any other payroll software "just sends" the CIS suffered over with the next payroll (FPS) - you have to submit an EPS report separately for the CIS tax suffered. If you are not filing an EPS, how are you telling HMRC of the CIS tax suffered?

In what way does HMRC tell you that you have submitted CIS tax suffered too early? By letter? Please explain.

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to Euan MacLennan
09th Dec 2017 17:06

Euan MacLennan wrote:

Neither Moneysoft nor, I suspect, any other payroll software "just sends" the CIS suffered over with the next payroll (FPS) - you have to submit an EPS report separately for the CIS tax suffered. If you are not filing an EPS, how are you telling HMRC of the CIS tax suffered?

It's a bit since I did one of these but, as I recall, you enter the CIS suffered in the appropriate space and when you click to send the FPS, the EPS prompt follows.

However, this doesn't seem to be the problem. HMRC aren't saying there's no CIS to claim - they're quibbling about the timing.

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to lionofludesch
09th Dec 2017 17:47

Thanks for your comments. I think I know what’s wrong now. I am submitting the eps on the 5th then entering the cis suffered later because I don’t always have the certificates of the people who have paid the cis, hence why hmrc aren’t getting those figures till the next eps is sent. I don’t work full time either and I though the eps had to be submitted on the 5th otherwise I would get penalties.

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