Principal private residence

Principal private residence

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A client has an annex which he currently rents out. He wants to legally establish two residences and sell the "annex" of as a separate dwelling. In order to avoid CGT my understanding is that he should move into the annex and sell this as his PPR.

Is this correct please?

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By Portia Nina Levin
08th Sep 2014 10:33

No

You would be more likely to shoot yourself in the foot that way.

Go away and read http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/manuals/cgmanual/CG64230+.htm, in particular http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/manuals/cgmanual/CG64240.htm, as well as all the cases where people have "just moved in" and have not got PPR treatment, and you will see.

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By johngroganjga
08th Sep 2014 10:38

He can make the annex his PPR going forward  by moving into it (provided he really does) but then he would of course lose it going forward on the other property.  And it would do nothing to cover that part of the gain that has already accrued on the annex when he moves in (i.e. it wouldn't be retrospective).

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By Portia Nina Levin
08th Sep 2014 10:49

The point though John

Is that up until now the annex has been part of the existing dwelling house, and so its sale is already covered by PPR. Moving into it to get PPR is, therefore, foolish for the very reason that you have identified. Even more so because I do not believe the OP understands the quality of occupation issue.

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By johngroganjga
08th Sep 2014 10:53

If you are right that it is currently a single property for PPR purposes I'll stand corrected.  My understanding was that it is and always has been two separate properties.

But if your understanding is right there is no need for the vendor to take any action whatsoever to minimise his CGT exposure.

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By Portia Nina Levin
08th Sep 2014 11:02

Oh dear

I have just reread the OP. I see that the annex is currently being rented out, which would prevent it being occupied as part of the main residence currently.

If it had been historically though, PPR would still apply with lettings relief.

Insufficient information as always.

I suggest the OP goes and sees somebody with the necessary skills to come up with an appropriate solution.

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By honesty
08th Sep 2014 13:46

Thank you for your comments including the manuals. I have gone away and am reading them as  you suggest.

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By Marion Hayes
08th Sep 2014 17:39

Not just tax issues here

My property has a granny annexe which we used for it's intended purpose.

However, the planing permission specifically stated that even though it is completely separate to the main bungalow (semi detached) it can  never be sold separately to the rest of the property  

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By nautical
09th Sep 2014 08:20

Marion, By having to sell it as one, are you expecting to get PPR on the whole property?  Or if Granny has been living in the Annex (presumably with its own council tax), will you lose PPR on an appropriate proportion of the total sale price?

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By Marion Hayes
09th Sep 2014 10:35

@naughtical

I actually hadn't thought about it but it is a separate access and has never been used as part of the home so I had assumed that it would be taxable when we downsize in the end, It does carry it's own council tax when lived in but is exempt when empty.

I can't see that there would be any way to avoid mixed use - but suggestions obviously welcome

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By Portia Nina Levin
09th Sep 2014 10:39

Go away and read the case law in http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/manuals/cgmanual/CG64240.htm

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By kenny achampong
09th Sep 2014 13:16

crystal clear

Now I see..it's so obvious in those easy to read manuals:

"This is that no building can form part of a dwelling house which includes a main house, unless that building is appurtenant to and within the curtilage of the main house"

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By Portia Nina Levin
09th Sep 2014 13:51

Anybody that has difficulty

With HMRC's manuals (impertinence and cartilage are explained elsewhere) ought to not be advising on tax matters in the first place in my view.

Now pull the frigging trigger.

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