£10000 grant for small business getting SBRR

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My understanding is that ALL businesses who currently receive SBRR will get the £10000 grant, being an extension of the £3000 benefit granted in the Budget

This w/end in the Sunday Times it said this was limited to those in the Retail,Hopitality and Leisure sector

This statement has now been repeated in my Local Authority advice pages

Which version is correct ???

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By John R
24th Mar 2020 10:28

This is from my local authority web site:
Business Grants

The budget announced small business grant funding for all businesses in receipt of Small Business Rate Relief (SBRR) and Rural Rates Relief.

The grants are up to £10,000 for those in receipt of Small Business Rate Relief (SBRR) & Rural Rate Relief.

The current proposal is that all properties that were in receipt of Small Business rates relief or rural rates relief on 11 March 2020, including those on tapered relief (RV between £12,001 and £15,000) will be eligible for a grant payment of £10,000.

Up to £25,000 of grant funding will be available for businesses in the retail, leisure and hospitality sectors if their rateable value is greater than £15,000 and less than £51,000.

Please note that properties which are occupied for personal use, e.g private stables, beach huts, moorings etc will not qualify for these grants.

When will these grants be available?

We recognise that businesses want to know how quickly they can receive these grants.

We expect to receive grant funding from the Government in April and are working to get an application form for the grants available online.

As soon as we have this in place we will contact eligible businesses so they can apply.

The grants will be available to all eligible businesses, it will not be a case of first come first served.

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By gavinbrown1984
24th Mar 2020 12:43

where is the guidance on this. i have not seen the condition re RV of £12,001 to £15,000.

i think you have this wrong.

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By John R
24th Mar 2020 16:46

I do not have this wrong! The local authority may have it wrong (but I do not think so).

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By legerman
25th Mar 2020 18:28

John R wrote:

I do not have this wrong! The local authority may have it wrong (but I do not think so).

The local authority have it wrong. Your information is correct. All SBRR properties with rv's of £15k or less, will recieve a grant of £10k. The retail, hospitality and leisure properties with RV's of 15k to 51k will receive a grant of £25k

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By Duggimon
24th Mar 2020 10:40

£10,000 is to all businesses, the £25,000 grant is limited to the hospitality/retail/leisure sectors.

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By fawltybasil2575
24th Mar 2020 11:48

@ John R (your post at 10.28) and others.

It is those oft used words “up to” (in the local authority guidance which you have kindly copied to us) in “up to £10,000”, which are my major CONCERN.

The official GOV.UK guidance simply states that a FIXED FIGURE of £10,000” (NOT “up to £10,000”) is the Grant figure which will be paid to qualifying businesses.

You may perhaps wish to contact the local authority to ask why their guidance includes those potentially crucial words “up to”, as my fear (hopefully unfounded) is that the above-mentioned GOV.UK guidance is wrong. That local authority may have received guidance from the Government which supports those potentially crucial “up to” words.

Basil.

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By bernard michael
24th Mar 2020 11:57

fawltybasil2575 wrote:

@ John R (your post at 10.28) and others.

It is those oft used words “up to” (in the local authority guidance which you have kindly copied to us) in “up to £10,000”, which are my major CONCERN.

The official GOV.UK guidance simply states that a FIXED FIGURE of £10,000” (NOT “up to £10,000”) is the Grant figure which will be paid to qualifying businesses.

You may perhaps wish to contact the local authority to ask why their guidance includes those potentially crucial words “up to”, as my fear (hopefully unfounded) is that the above-mentioned GOV.UK guidance is wrong. That local authority may have received guidance from the Government which supports those potentially crucial “up to” words.

Basil.


Or more likely the local authorities are inventing ways to hold onto the money central Govt sends them for this grant
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By legerman
25th Mar 2020 18:29

fawltybasil2575 wrote:

@ John R (your post at 10.28) and others.

It is those oft used words “up to” (in the local authority guidance which you have kindly copied to us) in “up to £10,000”, which are my major CONCERN.

The official GOV.UK guidance simply states that a FIXED FIGURE of £10,000” (NOT “up to £10,000”) is the Grant figure which will be paid to qualifying businesses.

Basil.

That local authority have it wrong Basil.

Here's the official guidance. See points 10-14

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploa...

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By NH
24th Mar 2020 14:15

In the guidance just issued I can see no mention of the words "up to", only either 10k or 25k

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By GW
24th Mar 2020 14:16

Guidance from the Government to the local authorities has now bee issued and clears up eligibility questions:

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-guidance...

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By NH
24th Mar 2020 14:21

you will also need this for Retail businesses with RV between 15 and 51 https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploa...

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By tonyshaloms
25th Mar 2020 10:06

I assume this also includes the many airbnb's registered as a business

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By TrevorFord
25th Mar 2020 10:05

I assume that this grant will be taxable, as it's effectively a reduction in business rates. This would also be the case with the direct grant of £10k to businesses which don't pay rates, therefore.

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By TaxableBen
25th Mar 2020 10:18

And what about businesses with two or more properties, both qualifying for the SBRR scheme? Is it £10k per property or £10k per business?

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By rob winder
25th Mar 2020 13:22

I may be wrong but my understanding is that you only get SBRR on one property.

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By John Stokdyk
25th Mar 2020 10:26

Thanks all for helping out with the different information sources. I was trying to untangle the same questions for Aweb and posted what I could from the official guide to what are being called the SBGF and RHLG yesterday afternoon: https://www.accountingweb.co.uk/tax/business-tax/small-business-grants-c...

For the "definitive" view being circulated to councils, have a look at this document: https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploa...

The bit at the end setting out requirements for new data fields to track the grants indicates that there is going to be some system implementation needed... There will be cash eventually, but I suspect it will take some time to reach businesses.

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By TaxableBen
25th Mar 2020 12:32

Thanks John. Per page 6 of the document , under "Grants per Business" it states "1 per hereditament". This would suggest that if the business has 2 qualifying buildings, then they should receive 2 grants unless there is something further that I'm not seeing to overrule this?

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By wizwozzoo
25th Mar 2020 13:07

There are two schemes and I was starting to think that a small shop might qualify for both, but as you have pointed out, the exclusion would limit it to just one per hereditament (new word for the day).

Thought process was:
So is a shop (hairdresser say) with rateable value up to £15k eligible for £20k?
Scheme 1 (business support grants fund), eligibility criteria, eligible for SBRR.
Scheme 2 (Retail, hospitality and leisure business grants fund), eligibility criteria, eligible for expanded retail discount scheme.

See example 4. Clearly shows a claim for SBRR & expanded retail discount:
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploa...

To answer my own question, looks like limited to one claim.

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By wizwozzoo
25th Mar 2020 13:43

On the specific point you have raised, it looks like one grant per business per hereditament. So if someone has 3 retail shops with each a rateable value of £2ok and all eligible for the Expanded Retail Discount Scheme, the way I read it, the business would get £75k, being three claims under scheme 2.

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By beany
25th Mar 2020 12:27

In Scotland the £10k is NOT being given to those that have holiday lettings businesses, i.e. self catering units/cottages, not even if they would qualify under the £25K grant either. These are specifically excluded on the grant forms.
Caravan parks, B&B's, Hotels do qualify under either amount.

The same holiday lettings business if in England or Wales will qualify.

No reason has been given for this different treatment, even though they are still in the leisure/tourism/hospitality trade.

The Scottish government has been given the money by the UK government, but is choosing not to give to those for which it was intended.

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By beany
25th Mar 2020 13:28

Thank you for the replies, here is where I found that Scottish self catering has been excluded.

https://www.mygov.scot/non-domestic-rates-coronavirus/

About half way down it says;
Self-catering premises are not eligible for the grant funding.

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By buttercup books
25th Mar 2020 14:02

Do we know if small business which use managed offices, and pay rent, that presumably includes rolled up council tax , but do not pay specific council tax, will be eligible for any grant??

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By wizwozzoo
25th Mar 2020 14:13

It is paid to those recorded by the billing authority as the ratepayer as at 11th March 2020. So if they are not getting a rates bill, then no.

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Sarah Douglas - HouseTree Business Ltd
By sarah douglas
25th Mar 2020 15:07

You are only allowed to make one claim regardless number of properties.

In Scotland, if your property type is listed as any of the Above you are not entitled to the £10K Grant
• Advertising
• Anemometer Mast
• ATM Site
• Boathouse
• Bothy
• Burial Ground
• Cable
• Car Park
• Car Space
• Caravan
• Castle
• Common Room
• Coup
• Deer Forest
• Display Area
• Electricity
• Fishing Hut
• Fuel Tank
• Gallop
• Game Larder
• Grazings
• Ground
• Hangar
• Heliport
• Holiday Hut
• Hut
• Jetty
• Land
• Lighthouse
• Lock-Up
• Mast
• Monitoring Site
• Oil Tank
• Parking Bay
• Peat Moss
• Pier
• Pigeon Loft
• Public Toilet
• Quarry
• Sand & Gravel
• Self Catering
• Shootings
• Site
• Site Huts
• Slipway
• Stance
• Taxi Rank
• Telecommunications
• Time Share Units
• Traffic Monitoring
• Waste
• Waste Water Treatment
• Water
• Weighbridge
• Wind turbine
• Yard

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By bernard michael
25th Mar 2020 15:04

Good to see accountants offices aren't there

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By sarah douglas
25th Mar 2020 15:08

Yes, I was relieved I put in my application last night.

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By sarah douglas
25th Mar 2020 15:02

To Be Eligible in Scotland for the 25K grant your business operates in premises in the retail, hospitality, and leisure sectors that is currently in one of the following:

If you feel that your property should qualify based on this list but is not listed here please continue the application.

• Amusements
• Animal Welfare
• Arts Centre
• Auction Mart
• Bakery
• Bed & Breakfast Accommodation
• Bingo Hall
• Bowling Alley
• Bowling Club
• Cafe
• Camping Site
• Car Wash
• Caravan Site
• Chalet
• Cinema
• Clinic
• Club
• Cricket Club
• Depot
• Entertainment Centre
• Exhibition Venue
• Football Ground
• Funeral Parlour
• Gallery
• Garden
• Garden Centre
• Golf Club
• Golf Driving Range
• Guest House
• Hall
• Harbour
• Hostel
• Hotel
• Ice Rink
• Kiosk
• Laundry
• Leisure Centre
• Market
• Military Facility
• Museum
• Office
• Outdoor Centre
• Park
• Petrol Filling Station
• Play Centre
• Playing Field
• Post Office
• Public House
• Race Track
• Racecourse
• Recreation Ground
• Restaurant
• Retail Warehouse
• Riding School
• Sailing Club
• Shooting Range
• Shop
• Showhouse
• Showroom
• Ski Club
• Snack Bar
• Snooker Club
• Sports Centre
• Sports Ground
• Squash Club
• Stable
• Stadium
• Sui Generis
• Swimming Pool
• Tennis Club
• Theatre
• Visitor Centre
• Warehouse
• Workshop
• Youth Hostel

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Sarah Douglas - HouseTree Business Ltd
By sarah douglas
25th Mar 2020 15:03

In Scotland Only properties in the retail, hospitality, and leisure sectors quality for this grant. In addition, if your property is listed as any of the property types listed here then you are not eligible for this grant. This list is not exhaustive and properties that fall in similar categories may not be eligible.

• Boathouse
• Caravan
• Self Catering
• Site
• Slipway
• Stance
• Time Share Units

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By sarah douglas
25th Mar 2020 15:10

For anyone who comes under Glasgow Council, here is the link to apply for the 10K or 25K Grant.

https://www.glasgow.gov.uk/coronavirusbusinessfund

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Sarah Douglas - HouseTree Business Ltd
By sarah douglas
25th Mar 2020 15:22

Scotland

Grants
Retail, hospitality and leisure businesses with a rateable value between £18,001 and up to and including £50,999 will be able to apply for a one-off grant of £25,000.

A one-off grant of £10,000 will also be available to small businesses who get:

Small Business Bonus Scheme relief
Rural Relief
You can also get this grant if you applied for Nursery Relief, Business Growth Accelerator Relief or Disabled Relief but are eligible for the Small Business Bonus Scheme.

You can only apply for one grant – even if you own multiple properties.
Self-catering premises are not eligible for the grant funding.

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By MrsG
26th Mar 2020 13:09

I agree with the OP. I also saw that in the Sunday Times & thought it was wrong. I am telling everybody to get their information directly from government sources (NOT newsapapers or Facebook, Whats app, hearsay etc)

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By mattbee
23rd May 2020 18:56

As an owner of 3 short lets, each registered for business rates, I triple-checked this in slight disbelief. But it's pretty clear:

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/check-if-youre-eligible-for-the-coronavirus-...

"eligible businesses can get more than one grant per property".

I received a letter from my local council at the end of March to apply for a grant for each property, and received the grants within a week. It does seem like extra-special treatment.

I'm unclear whether the grant counts as taxable income (or the discount on the Rates bill).

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