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Question re HMRC and self assessment

What address do I give to HMRC if I have no fixed abode?

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I have been employed full time since Sep 2019 and last year I started to do some self employed work outside of my employement. My self employed income now means I need to register and submit a self assessment. 

However I don't really have a fixed abode and I'm essentially a couch surfer, but I do rent a virtual registered office for my self employed side business which handles my mail and allows me to have an office address.

Can this be the address I use when I register and submit a self assessment online? Will my UTR letter be sent to the virtual office address?

 

Any answers would be much appreciated. 

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By lesley.barnes
17th Sep 2021 15:57

What address does your employer use for your PAYE?

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By sibrahim10
17th Sep 2021 16:01

They have an old address I used to live at

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By sibrahim10
17th Sep 2021 16:01

They have an old address I used to live at

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By Leywood
17th Sep 2021 16:16

If you are self employed you are not a Director. Be careful purporting to be something that you are not.

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By sibrahim10
17th Sep 2021 16:37

I'm a director in my job.

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By paulhammett
17th Sep 2021 17:49

Not sure what “I’m a director in my job” means. As Leywood states, if you are self employed, you are NOT a director. Only limited companies have directors.

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By Hugo Fair
17th Sep 2021 18:20

I'm guessing (hoping) it relates to bit in OP where it says "I have been employed full time since Sep 2019". In other words nothing to do with the self-employment that forms basis of OP question.

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By sibrahim10
17th Sep 2021 19:19

Have any of you even read my post properly before commenting? It quite clearly says I am full time employed (as a director) AND I am self employed outside of my job doing my own side business.

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By Leywood
17th Sep 2021 19:46

Bit like this forum is for Accountants to exchange information with other Accountants.

Did you not read the forum notes/sign up pages and rules that you cannot use answers as advice?

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By sibrahim10
17th Sep 2021 19:54

And where have I asked for advice? I have asked for other peoples view on my question as those who are accountants are likely to deal with HMRC more than I ever have so will have a better idea on what is deemed acceptable or not

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By DKB-Sheffield
17th Sep 2021 20:37

Hi,

Not really an answer to the self employment side as, tbh, having tried to look, I can't find a definite answer! (I'd favour a bricks and mortar premises address over a PO Box though!).

As for your main job/ directorship... what address is on the company register, and what is lodged with CH, as your "Director's Residential Address"?

You say the 'employer' is using an old address (for PAYE). Is the same address being used for your directorship? If this is the case, as a director of that company, you know that this address is not current. This is likely to be a breach of CA2006 and, as a director of that company, you are responsible for complying with the Act.

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By sibrahim10
17th Sep 2021 21:21

Thanks for your reply.
My virtual office for my self employment side is an actual office rather than just a po box (for example mail boxes) it's an actual office building so bricks and mortar in that sense.

As for my main job, I'm a director by way of my corporate grade so not an actual director on companies house.

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By sibrahim10
17th Sep 2021 21:21

Thanks for your reply.
My virtual office for my self employment side is an actual office rather than just a po box (for example mail boxes) it's an actual office building so bricks and mortar in that sense.

As for my main job, I'm a director by way of my corporate grade so not an actual director on companies house.

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By DKB-Sheffield
18th Sep 2021 00:33

Sorry for the confusion regarding your role. I'm sure you will understand how I jumped to the conclusion that you are a Company Director. On an accountancy forum, we do tend to read the word 'director' as a position of statutory corporate responsibility as opposed to a job title.

In all honesty, I would tend to shy away from mail forwarding houses as you (or anyone who knows you) are not involved. I'd always look to use an address you have a claim over or, failing that, another family member or (trustworthy) friend!

As a thought(s)... Do you have a driving licence? Do you have a GP? Do you have a bank account?* All of these require a current (physical) address. IMHO you'd be better off using that address than the 'virtual office'. Whilst you're at it, I'd also highly recommend giving your employer an up to date contact address! Not just for PAYE... it may be a condition of your contract!

* Don't answer these questions on here. They're confidential and are included to help you consider the options!

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By zebaa
17th Sep 2021 17:48

You need an address where you can obtain items sent by post. This could be your employer's address or a friend's. Trying to be of 'no fixed abode' is a route to both frustration and hardship. Don't do it. PO boxes don't usually work either. If you want further help, try a web search using the terms like 'no fixed abode' or 'travelers no fixed address' and similar. Or, like I say, get an address - somehow - for post.

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By sibrahim10
17th Sep 2021 19:22

So does this mean I am all OK to put the office address which I use as a virtual office for my self employed side business? As my question was more so pointed in the direction of do I need to put a home address or can I put my self employed virtual office address which is used for all mailing and correspondence

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By atleastisoundknowledgable...
17th Sep 2021 19:32

Sure, why not?

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By zebaa
17th Sep 2021 22:36

If you can receive letters from the post office you could try with your virtual office. This post has now become so disjointed I have difficulty following what you are saying. I suspect, if it is like a PO box, it will be rejected. It seems you want less advice and more things your way. Good luck with that.

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By lesley.barnes
18th Sep 2021 09:54

I have in the past had a client who used a virtual address for a short period when he split for his partner and he used it as his address for his SA tax return. He wasn't using it when he first registered but changed it later so I don't know if HMRC will take it for the initial registration. Have you tried to register, I can't remember if it asks how long you've been at your current address and if its less than three years previous addresses ? Have you spoken to the SA helpline?

You need to sort out your PAYE so you can receive any post that HMRC might send you such as tax codes.

If you can use a virtual office you wouldn't be able to use it for VAT registration they require an physical address where you are trading so they can visit if necessary.

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