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Returning to work - will you be providing masks

Just a question about provision of facemasks and other PPE

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In the event of your workplace re-opening, will you be providing face masks to staff - and if so what type?

I see today that Screwfix is not supplying (to the general population).

There will no doubt be an expectation by staff that these things are waiting their return.

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By lionofludesch
04th May 2020 14:11

No, I won't, Tom.

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By SXGuy
04th May 2020 14:40

Think you'll find it's nicotine. Not ciggerette smoke.

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By tom123
04th May 2020 14:40

Our own resident David Hockneys have said the same!

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By Wilson Philips
04th May 2020 15:28

I realise that the comment was (I hope) tongue-in-cheek but that is the kind of misinformation that can cause more harm than good.

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By Wilson Philips
05th May 2020 07:55

Sorry, but I do believe that you must have been smoking something yourself.

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By Wilson Philips
05th May 2020 10:50

You got links to those stats?

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By lionofludesch
05th May 2020 13:01

Wilson Philips wrote:

You got links to those stats?

Because, if it's not on tinterweb, it's not true.

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By Wilson Philips
05th May 2020 13:08

Indeed. And in the interests of balance there are plenty of reports on the electronic web that catgorically state that *if* there is any benefit it is from nicotine and not the smoke.

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By R5P
04th May 2020 14:59

Our business processes industrial waste which by its very nature does include some hazardous material, so regardless of Covid 19 all our processing staff must wear significant amounts of PPE. We are fortunate in that we hold several months’ worth of PPE, so thankfully we won’t have to try and source any for a while.

All our office staff are currently working from home and will continue to do so for the foreseeable future as it appears to be working well. When office staff do return, we will be providing masks, disposal gloves and hand sanitiser should they want them.

As mentioned by Patch there appears to be little clinical evidence that masks help and may even encourage people to touch their face more often. However, if psychologically it makes staff feel protected, providing they continue to wash their hands and maintain social distances then personally I don’t have an issue with providing them.

I think employers do need to be careful as I can foresee legal cases instigated by employees if they feel their employer hasn’t done everything they can to protect them or by the HSE for having unsafe workplaces.

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By tom123
04th May 2020 15:19

Thanks, - we are an industrial setting too. Our shop floor already have specialised provision (for welding, painting etc), but we are looking at the more general hands too.

I think we will wait to see what the further guidance says. I can't help thinking that if medical grade masks are not available (for obvious reasons) the other stuff is purely a bit of a placebo.

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By atleastisoundknowledgable...
04th May 2020 15:24

We're stocking up on big(ish) bottles of antibac gel for when we re-open.

I think that we'll have a home/office rotation amongst the staff for a little while at least.

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By Dib
04th May 2020 16:18

Just wondering how much use Anti-bac gel will be against a virus?

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By Wilson Philips
04th May 2020 16:53

Quite a lot actually (though not as effective as soap and water - which is also anti-bacterial).

There’s a general confusion between anti-bacterial (which deals with both bacterial and viral particles) and antibiotic, which does have little impact on viruses.

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By Dib
05th May 2020 13:48

Anti-bacterial affects bacteria
Anti-viral affects viruses
Buying an anti-bacterial will not help with a virus unless it specifically says it does.
Hand washing works against bacteria and viruses (and other things such as protozoa) because they are washed off assisted by the surfactant properties of soap.

Incidentally antibiotics literally affect life but the term has been hijacked to apply to medication which is effective against bacteria.

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By Wilson Philips
05th May 2020 13:56

I thought that this was a site for accountants rather than medical science. I agree that not all anti-bac products will deal with viruses effectively - you just need to ensure that you have one with sufficient alcohol content.

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By Dib
05th May 2020 16:47

Agreed, just don't want folk being mislead that any old anti-bac will save them from Covid-19, or any other virus for that matter.

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By Wilson Philips
05th May 2020 16:52

Indeed - nor that smoking cigarettes is the answer :)

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By Ruddles
06th May 2020 08:42

Are you related to Donald Trump?

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By Duggimon
04th May 2020 15:44

If masks are required for our staff to be safe while in the office, we're probably not going to ask them to come in.

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By Robert Hurn
04th May 2020 16:11

We will ask staff to wear condoms over their head

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By Wilson Philips
04th May 2020 16:14

Are your staff all students?

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By I'msorryIhaven'taclue
05th May 2020 13:56

And why do they have such oddly-shaped heads?

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By DJKL
05th May 2020 14:17

Maybe they are a bunch of d***kheads

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By Robert Hurn
07th May 2020 14:23

They are actually an incredibly good team and have offered to reduce their salaries even though we do not need to do so and have adapted to the “new normal” without any problems. We are fortunate to have such people in our team.

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By insolventnl
04th May 2020 16:58

It comes to down is it needed to work safely?

If yes, then I think legally any employer has to provide face masks under the duty of ensuring you are giving your employee a safe working environment

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By spilly
04th May 2020 21:37

But how will staff be able to prove that they caught the virus whilst at work? The contact tracing app won’t be giving any details of when or where apparently.

We might be closing our office permanently if clients are happy to continue to post and scan stuff over to us. I’m sounding them out at present, but those I’ve spoken to seem fine with the idea. It would solve the whole mask issue as well as saving rent.

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By lionofludesch
04th May 2020 23:08

spilly wrote:

But how will staff be able to prove that they caught the virus whilst at work?

Quite. Especially if they're dead.

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By DJKL
05th May 2020 14:20

That would not be very charitable to us grasping commercial property landlords, we covet your money.

We are already talking about alternative use re some of our offices ; a chill wind is sweeping in after all this is over.

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By DJKL
05th May 2020 16:19

How do they currently prove they acquired asbestosis at a particular place of work?

Remember that in civil cases the burden of proof tends towards the probable rather than the more difficult criminal test burden of beyond reasonable doubt.

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By spilly
07th May 2020 20:54

The office is large enough and the desks are not close. The only contentious area might be at the filing cabinets or the shared kitchen and toilet facilities (serviced offices). Staff mostly use public transport to come into the office, might visit one of several coffee shops on the way, go shopping at lunchtime etc. So no, it’s not the same as asbestosis as there are multiple other contact points apart from the workspace.

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By 0098087
07th May 2020 14:16

i'd love to be able to not go to collect stuff and just have everything posted. As for scanning, you've got a hope..think they live in the 19th century. They can't even take photos for money laundering on their phones.

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By spilly
07th May 2020 20:42

It has taken several years of hard slog and multiple client visits to show them how to do stuff like this, including giving ‘how to’ step-by-step written guidance and flow-charts so they won’t forget.
There are still some that can’t or won’t do anything on a computer, including one that keeps a full set of written ledgers - useful for training new staff who can be totally lost if it’s not on a cloud system.
And we do still collect where needed, but have lately found clients are pleased to have an excuse to go out to the post office. Fingers crossed that they continue to be happy to continue to do this.

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By mbee1
05th May 2020 07:58

we won't be opening the office for a while and, when we do, I suspect half the staff will continue to work from home and half from the office on a rota.

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By Ruddles
05th May 2020 10:41

I see that Accounting Web hasn't developed David Price antibodies yet, and has become infected again.

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By Matrix
07th May 2020 14:24

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By AS44NG
10th May 2020 13:08

Is it ok to only ask the ugly workers to wear masks? I'm asking for a friend ...

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