Ok i am going into meldown mode here ref data boxes 141 and 142 on rti submissions - looking at the linked guidance - hmrc seem top be saying data box 141 should only be used for sole traders/partnerships - presumably box 142 is used for companies - i am also presuming that both boxes should never be completed as you are one or the other (i will ignore llp's lol)
per hmrc
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploa... SA UTR Enter your Self Assessment Unique Tax Reference, if applicable. (For example if you arper moneysoft - they won't confirm if this is all employers or just sole traders/partnerships
e a sole proprietor or partnership.) Y To be sent if applicable
I cannot get a straight answer out of moneysoft as to whether itsa no no to enter a company UTR in box 141 - monesoft are saying the folowing ref box 141
"Just to confirm, the Unique Tax Ref. field is there for employers on the CIS scheme that file CIS300
box 141 being the "unique tax ref." box in tax office tab of employers details tab - box 142 being simpler as it says corporation tax reference
It might seem like the box is not important but i need to update for all our clients within cis and want to ensure i am entering the right info.
I could be losing the plot if box 141 is not the moneysoft box i have mentioned above
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Please take a deep breath and then post a full account of your problem and be clear on your question.
I just really need someone to explain if box 141 should only be used for sole traders and partnerships only - moneysoft seem to be suggestiung box 141 should potanetiially have utr entered here even if limited company status - that seems wrong reading the linked guidance - it may not be wrong though hence the question.
That would indeed be wrong - see my post below.
BTW feel free to download the ZIP of HMRC specifications from https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/real-time-information-interne... if you wish to hold a technical discussion with Moneysoft.
Filing on Monesoft for the 2020/2021 tax year I just had Companies UTR number in the box that asks for Unique Tax Ref and nothing in the box asking for Corporation Tax Ref and all the CIS returns went through fine.
This year the returns are being blocked unless I put the UTR in the Corporation Tax Ref box, so now I have the UTR in both boxes and the CIS returns are being accepted.
As I tried to explain on the earlier thread related to this ... https://www.accountingweb.co.uk/any-answers/cis-suffered-disappeared-fro... ... I don't know Moneysoft, but in most packages you (the user) don't enter data direct into the FPS or EPS ... you enter it into the Payroll software, which in turn generates the submission files.
So the only people that can tell you how to achieve a specific outcome in the FPS or the EPS will be the suppliers of the software that generates those files.
At the other end of the equation (the HMRC specifications of what they want, as supplied to developers) ... in addition to the use of SAUTR and COTAX ref as set out in my earlier post, I can confirm the following validation rule applied by HMRC:
* "If [SAUTR] is present [COTAXREF] must be absent"
As also mentioned previously, these data items (and their purpose and validation rules) have remained unchanged since the inception of RTI ... all that has changed from the start of the current tax year is that the COTAX ref is now also a data item within the EPS (not just the FPS as before) - and is obviously needed in particular when any amount of CIS deductions suffered YTD is in that EPS.
I can't make head nor tail of the Moneysoft instructions that you've quoted ... but as I said I don't know the software, which is naturally what they're referring to as part of their guidance.
