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RTI generic notices ... anybody else getting these late-fling notices?

RTI generic notices ... anybody else getting...

Just received another batch of these RTI generic late-filing notices for a load of my clients, for all of whom I'd filed the FPS well before the monthly deadlines ... anybody else being plagued by these stupid "wrong" notices? Any ideas on what to do, apart from ignore them ... which is my customary procedure, but slightly worried since HMRC is always threatening to bring in penalties for such problems, even when everything's been done correctly from our side.

Look forward to your responses

KH

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14th May 2014 10:28

Monthly deadlines?

The only deadline for filing FPSs is on or before the date of payment, which means the date entered into the payroll software as the date on which PAYE is to be calculated and the date which will be printed onto employee payslips.  This is the only date included in a FPS (apart from joining and leaving dates for individual employees) and if it is earlier than the date that HMRC receives the FPS, the RTI system will generate a late filing notice automatically.  HMRC cannot know the date on which the employees are actually paid - they can only work with the date you tell them that the employees will be paid.

You mention monthly deadlines.  If this means that you are filing monthly payrolls dated the 31st by the 5th of the following month, the FPSs will be late - you must file them on or before the 31st.

This point has been covered many times on AWeb.  If this is not the explanation for your problem, please give more details.

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By KH
to legerman
14th May 2014 11:46

All done properly...

The FPSs for the payment dates 26th April, May & June (i.e. three months in one go) were all filed about two to three days earlier than the first of the stated payment dates, and the RTI software shows that the submissions were successful, yet HMRC is sending me RTI generic notices saying that the payments due for the month ended 30th April were not submitted by 5th May ... which is utter rubbish. I say this just to put the record straight. The words straight from the horse's mouth's notices are:

 

Employer details

NAME: CLIENT ABC

Employer Reference: 000/AZ12345

 

Notice details

Message type: Non Filing Notice

 

Message details

HM Revenue & Customs (HMRC) records show that you haven't sent all of the Full Payment Submissions (FPS) that we expected for the period indicated. You must send an FPS each time you pay your employees.

From October 2014, if you don't send your FPS on time you may incur in-year filing penalties. Please make sure that you send your FPS on time in future.

If you didn't pay any employees within that tax period, you should let HMRC know by sending a no payment Employer Payment Summary (EPS) by the 19th of this month.

If you have sent all your returns or you have notified HMRC in the last five days that you no longer employ anyone, you don't need to contact HMRC.

 

Additional information

Period Ending: 05/05/2014

 

As I say, madness!

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to EnglishRose
14th May 2014 12:17

Yes - done properly

KH wrote:

The FPSs for the payment dates 26th April, May & June (i.e. three months in one go) were all filed about two to three days earlier than the first of the stated payment dates, and the RTI software shows that the submissions were successful, yet HMRC is sending me RTI generic notices saying that the payments due for the month ended 30th April were not submitted by 5th May ... which is utter rubbish. I say this just to put the record straight.

As I say, madness!

As you have filed the 26th April FPSs a couple of days before that date, the notices are obviously wrong.  However, the submission receipts merely confirm that the FPSs were received - there must then be some processing onto the RTI system.  Perhaps, filing 3 months' FPSs on the same day has upset things.  The May FPS may have actually been processed before the April one, giving the immediate impression that the April FPS had been missed.  It might avoid the problem in future if you file the FPSs on successive days.  On the other hand, it might not!

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By Locutus
14th May 2014 11:42

I've never had any using Moneysoft

Like Euan says, if you make the RTI submission some time before the payroll date, then you shouldn't get any penalty notices.

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By Briar
14th May 2014 11:46

Keep filing them late

If we all file on a date between 6th and (say) 15th of the month following wages payments, then, yes, we will continue to get these stupid generic late filing notices with no references on them so that we do not know who they apply to. 

Hopefully then, HMRC's statistics will continue to show that RTI is not working properly and they may a) change the rules and b) change the penalty regime (due to come in later this year).

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to SXGuy
14th May 2014 12:06

What are you on about?

Briar wrote:

If we all file on a date between 6th and (say) 15th of the month following wages payments, then, yes, we will continue to get these stupid generic late filing notices with no references on them so that we do not know who they apply to. 

Hopefully then, HMRC's statistics will continue to show that RTI is not working properly and they may a) change the rules and b) change the penalty regime (due to come in later this year).

The copy of the generic late filing notice provided by KH clearly states the client name and PAYE reference.  What doesn't state them is the e-mail advising that "one or more" notices have been issued.  As I have said before, a good way of finding which clients are involved is to download the notices in PAYE Desktop Viewer and then, look at the Employer List in PDV.

I wouldn't hold my breath about HMRC changing the rules or the penalty regime.

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By KH
to GHarr497688
14th May 2014 12:15

Trouble is, these FPSs were filed before payment was made ... so all should have been fine. And although the HMRC email didn't identify which clients these generic RTI notices referred to, as soon as I downloaded said notices from HMRC's agent PAYE portal, all was clear ... apart from why I was being sent these "default" notices. Still can't work out why HMRC should be sending out non-submission notices when their own software clearly shows that the FPSs were filed correctly and well before the actual stated salary-payment dates.

Obviously time for another LARGE snifter of good old single malt...............

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14th May 2014 13:57

Not this time

The last one I had was on 4th April, telling me I should have filed the return which I filed on 3rd April no later than 4th April.

So they reckoned it was late.

 

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14th May 2014 14:24
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By KH
to Maslins
15th May 2014 10:58

No , it's not quite that

Good try, dnicholson, and appreciated, but no, it's not that. And it isn't filing three months in one go, either ... or at least I don't think it is since I was doing this all last year, and so far this year, only about a third of the clients I have filed three months for in one go has received these non-filing notices ...so it must be a glitch in HMRC's systems again ... NOT looking forward to the October or whenever deadline for when they start to introduce penalties for perfectly submitted returns.

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15th May 2014 15:43

I'm just filing on or before my software tells me to ...

Not doubt the s*** will work itself out some day! (I'm getting these emails and was worrying about them until I saw this thread, so thanks)

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15th May 2014 17:17

Eureka moment re Moneysoft

This is a bit off topic but I run one payroll (my own).  I pay myself once a year but I do employ temp staff from time to time so cannot be on an annual scheme.  Like many others I started getting late filing notices and was baffled but accepted that it was a glitch caused by HMRC.

On Monday I ran my normal EPS for April (no pay, nothing to report) to be told by Moneysoft that I was filing late and what was my excuse.  I was able to talk to Moneysoft as I was doing this during normal working hours and I discovered that Moneysoft does not allow you to file EPSs if you have employees.  If the employees are not paid, their system requires you to file a nil FPS and this has to be filed before the "pay date" recorded on the system - or you get a late filing notice.

I am sure that all other Accounting Web / Moneysoft users had sorted this out long ago but to me it was a revalation.  So I mention it in case there are any other people out there like me who had not appreciated this quirk of Moneysoft until now.  [For clarily, I am not getting at Moneysoft as I consider the program to be excellent value.]

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By janefg
19th May 2014 11:58

EPS
On Friday (16th May) received 2 generic late filing notices for clients for whom we had filed No Employee Paid EPS for April on 6th and 7th May respectively. We have been told frequently that we cannot file these before 5th of month following and must file them between 6th and 19th, which we have been doing. What are we doing wrong?

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10th Jun 2014 12:09

I'm getting them every month

Only prepare a payroll for one company, all of the employee's are paid weekly except for one who is paid monthly. The FPS's are submitted every week on Tuesday with a payment date of the following Friday when the wages are paid out. We receive an email confirmation within 10 minutes of sending the submission that confirms that the submission has been successfully received yet we get a non-filing notice for period ending 5 May 2014 and 5 June 2014. On checking the business dashboard the amount of tax due agrees with what we say so cannot understand why we get the telling off!

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By Flash Gordon
10th Jun 2014 13:35

Closed scheme

I've a client where we closed the scheme (via Moneysoft) at the end of the last tax year. HMRC is now sending me non-filing notices! I'm obviously going to have to waste time writing to them but what's the point in doing things (apparently) correctly if they take no notice?

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By KH
11th Jun 2014 09:23

At least HMRC are on my case.....

In the end HMRC asked me to email them my Basic PAYE Tools latest back-up files, plus the computer log, along with copies of all the offending notices etc ... and they are now scratching their corporate heads in as much bewilderment as me ... so maybe this will get sorted, maybe it won't, but at least it's now in their ball park. And yes, I've just received another 24 odd non-filing notices for all my corporate clients for whom I've not only submitted FPSs but also received confirmation of submission receipts. ZZZZzzzzzzzzz............... ...........................

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