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SA1 down? Permanently?

SA1 down? Permanently?

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The first link in this page, at the time of typing (and throughout the previous day) is currently broken

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/self-assessment-register-for-...

Does anyone know if this will ever be restored?  The second link works but that route requires the creation of an MTD personal tax account, and I worry that it is the intention of HMRC that everyone go through that route, permanently consigning the first link to the dustbin, which is not much use for me registering clients as an agent and which has, up to now, been a well working solution.

With kind regards

Clint Westwood

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By DMGbus
04th Apr 2017 08:37

The second link on my screen is an .xdp form: complete onscreen then print out, sign and post to HMRC.

A paperless method of registering for SA that I used for a client last week was structured eMail.

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By nogammonsinanundoubledgame
04th Apr 2017 09:59

DMGbus wrote:

The second link on my screen is an .xdp form: complete onscreen then print out, sign and post to HMRC.

I stand corrected, thanks.
Yes, this is one of those irritating HMRC forms that it will not allow you to print out (or even progress to the next page) unless all fields are completed. Ugh.

And, as you mention, cannot be filed online. Still, workable I guess, but a real PIA, not least because when filing the structured email I used occasionally to get a very helpful rejection notice by email response advising that, previously unbeknownst to me, the taxpayer already had a UTR.

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Clint Westwood

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By Chris Mann
04th Apr 2017 08:41
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By nogammonsinanundoubledgame
04th Apr 2017 08:50

Chris Mann wrote:

This is the one I tend to use
https://online.hmrc.gov.uk/shortforms/form/CWF1ST


This form is useless for anyone registering for SA otherwise than by reason of self employment (and liability to class 2 NIC). Still, useful to know that at least that one still works.

With kind regards

Clint Westwood

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By SteveHa
04th Apr 2017 09:18

Why not simply register them via your agent login?

"The online tax registration service allows you to register a business with HM Revenue & Customs (HMRC) for Self Assessment and Class 2 National Insurance, Corporation Tax, PAYE for Employers and VAT. Please follow the 'Register for HMRC taxes' link below to use this service."

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By nogammonsinanundoubledgame
04th Apr 2017 09:57

SteLacca wrote:

Why not simply register them via your agent login?


Because, as with my response to Chris Mann, that facility replicates the CWF1 procedure not the SA1 procedure and requires that the registree be in a business and (inexplicably) does not allow for the possibility that the taxpayer may be registering for another reason.

With kind regards

Clint Westwood

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By CJaneH
04th Apr 2017 12:10

This together with MTD shows that HMRC (or rather the powers to be that want to change every thing) do not recognise that the tax payers agent, preparing accounts and submitting returns, is why up to now the tax system works. The MTD seems to think that the 'customer' is capereable of book keeping, preparing accounts and knowing and understanding tax regulations!

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By nogammonsinanundoubledgame
05th Apr 2017 08:09

Update:

Most (perhaps all?) HMRC web pages have a feedback link for comments. I have never used it before but tried it here. It even prompts you to enter your own email address and tick a box saying that you would appreciate a response.

Anyway, this page had that link so I thought I would try it out. It contained no personal or confidential information; simply asked whether the online form would be restored.

I got a response by email this morning:

"Thank you for your email. I regret that I am not able to answer your specific HMRC related enquiry. The GOV.UK support team also do not have access to your personal details held by the HMRC.

Please follow the links below blah bah blah"

And blah blah blah is what I have to say to that!

With kind regards

Clint Westwood

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By nogammonsinanundoubledgame
05th Apr 2017 12:58

Update:
Per HMRC online services helpdesk, this is (allegedly) a temporary issue only.

With kind regards

Clint Westwood

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By adambrown
21st Apr 2017 11:14

Just manually change the form name in the URL

https://online.hmrc.gov.uk/shortforms/form/SA1

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By nogammonsinanundoubledgame
21st Apr 2017 11:35

adambrown wrote:

Just manually change the form name in the URL

https://online.hmrc.gov.uk/shortforms/form/SA1


Not necessary to make any changes. The link is back up and running now.

There is however an old bug that continues to be a legacy issue, I see. I have just completed an SA1 online via the structured email, on the grounds that the taxpayer had untaxed income that could not be taxed under PAYE, and had an auto-email response back thanking me for registering as self-employed. Eh? Self-employed? This was NOT a CWF1 form (nor SA401). No-where on the form did I indicate a liability to NIC.

Oh well, that was not the first time.

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