Ok good news is that the SEISS API data is now flowing through to our tax return software - which is great so that we can ensure the totals match up as one would expect.
Unfortuantely the first return we have received data for has an amount of 1,066,900.00 which is being flagged up as the SEISS grant received - our client certainly aint Messi thats for sure !
Obviously this value is complete nonsense - other than enter correct figure and make a note and probably ring the sa helpline for further instruction - does anyone know the best course of action if the pre populated figure in nonsense. Kinda expecting that this may cause a delay in the return being processed if the figures don't match.
Thankfully not even hmrc will try then line that "their figures are correct" with this one - one would guess?
Obvious read across is that this infoi is not toi be trusted in any capacity based on my sample of 1.
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On the back of your post I've just checked the two tax return software packages we use - Taxfiler and Sage Taxation.
Taxfiler is showing no details re the SEISS yet but Sage Taxation is - yay I thought!
With the one random account I checked, my client received £705,800 in the 2020/21 fiscal year according to HMRC!
We've waited months for this dross! It's simply unacceptable - they are surely taking the proverbial mickey now!!!
In some respects better info provided is nonsensical totals rather than something close to the truth.
Sad, isn’t it, that you didn’t even mention HMRC getting it right as an option.
As a matter of interest rmillaree are you using Sage Taxation, as if you are it could be a software issue not HMRC, but if you are using a different package then it is obviously down to HMRC.
Looking at one I know the answer for - the software says he's received £2,157,000 whereas it was actually £21,570 - so it appears it could be multiplying the correct answer by 100 but no doubt someone needs to put in a quick fix!!
Ah our messages crossed - you are using different software so it definitely appears to be a HMRC glitch!
We'll have to have a competition to see who has the most ridiculous result!!
As a matter of interest rmillaree are you using Sage Taxation, as if you are it could be a software issue not HMRC, but if you are using a different package then it is obviously down to HMRC.
Looking at one I know the answer for - the software says he's received £2,157,000 whereas it was actually £21,570 - so it appears it could be multiplying the correct answer by 100 but no doubt someone needs to put in a quick fix!!
Actually it's just missing a decimal point eg £21570.00
And this is exactly why HMRC should not be proceeding with MTD - they can't even get current systems working correctly.
It it the case that that HMRC are showing pennies as pounds?
If it was not so critical it would be funny
Remember HMRC will eventually be wholly relying on third person figures
The claimed rule that taxpayer must FORCE third person to correct all errors as clearly taxpayers cannot be trusted with tax returns.
If that's the kind of information that's on the HMRC side it would explain why so many perfectly correct SATRs are being flagged for checks due to SEISS entries.
I tried using HMRC figures when they first introduced this pre-population thing.
It was total nonsense.
I would recommend that people avoid using anything from HMRC if possible.
Glad it is not just us! We have had one too where client allegedly received over £1m. I am looking forward to ringing them when they "correct" our tax return with their figures. Also looking forward to seeing our client's face when they get the tax bill.
TaxCalc same.
It is just missing a decimal point though the numbers are all correct.
It's not rocket science to have worked that out to be fair.
No it's not rocket science (for a human) to have worked that out ... but the future according to HMRC is one where automated data flows seamlessly to & from their digital systems (whilst the promised benefits only accrue if humans don't need to check/correct that data)!
And this is just one of the most instantly visible of their mistakes ... many more lie in waiting (sometimes known but ignored for years).
So I have just had an email from BTC reporting the error and telling us to hold off filing with HMRC for now. Also this:
HMRC has confirmed the fault to be from their side and has asked that agents experiencing this issue report it to HMRC to help raise awareness.
You could not make it up! Can HMRC not tell their own staff? Do they really expect us to waste at least 15 minutes (on a good day) ringing them up to report a problem that they should already know about???
HMRC just do not get IT and never will
Worse, they identify a problem and refuse to deal with it at their end.
Asking agents to call them on every client that got SEISS?
They do not show respect to their staff that currently cannot cope with ordinary known routines
That has energised me to submit as many tax returns as possible in the next couple of weeks
Ha - I just said exactly the same thing Paul. I am NOT going to delay filing anything and if they send my client a demand for £450,000+ of tax, good luck to them. I am also NOT going to ring up their help line to tell them their system is not working because they already know this.
To then be told us not a common fault, as usual. Bloody HMRC, spending millions on projects and cannot get the basics right.