Special relationship with USA

Special relationship with USA

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What is the so called "special relationship" worth if Obuma says we will be at the back of the queue negotiating a new trade relationship?

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By cstwragby
22nd Apr 2016 23:19

More of a controlling one it seems

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By sarah douglas
25th Oct 2017 15:57

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By 3569787
03rd May 2016 15:45

Its worth

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By Marion Hayes
23rd Apr 2016 09:24

Who cares?
Just a thought - why would anyone be interested in the comments of the one man in the US who will not be able to follow through with his threat by the time we have actually left.
I don't even believe most Americans even know we are thinking of leaving.
Hopefully his outburst will trigger the opposite reaction as we are often contrary aren't we

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By bernard michael
23rd Apr 2016 11:07

The special relationship put simply is 

We stand still and let them screw us whenever they want 

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By cfield
23rd Apr 2016 21:19

Back of the queue

bernard michael wrote:

The special relationship put simply is 

We stand still and let them screw us whenever they want 

That's what makes it so special!

This veiled threat about being back of the queue for a new trade deal is so pathetic. Why not just give us the same deal as the EU? After all, they're happy to trade with us on those terms now, so why not afterwards?

Procedure as follows:

Step 1 - Highlight text of EU trade deal

Step 2 - Click Copy

Step 3 - Click on new document headed UK Trade Deal

Step 4 - Click Paste

Job done.

Of course, they'd have to remove all mention of the EU, but that's easy too. Do Control F and type EU. They will all be highlighted in yellow. Then edit/delete as applicable.

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By SteveHa
25th Apr 2016 08:53

Trade deal

cfield wrote:

Why not just give us the same deal as the EU?

I could be wrong, but I believe there isn't one.

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By carnmores
24th Apr 2016 10:09

the brexiteers

are getting ruder by the day , thats enough reason to vote Stay.

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By carnmores
24th Apr 2016 10:12

cfield

you have got it wrong. The EU does not want UK to leave and if it votes to so do a  raft of new treaties / deals will need to be put in place . The EU will not be in any hurry to make things easy for UK as it might encourage other members to leave. 

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By cfield
24th Apr 2016 10:51

I meant the US, not the EU

carnmores wrote:

you have got it wrong. The EU does not want UK to leave and if it votes to so do a  raft of new treaties / deals will need to be put in place . The EU will not be in any hurry to make things easy for UK as it might encourage other members to leave. 

No, you've got it wrong. This thread is about the USA, not the EU. That's what my post was about. I wasn't talking about a new deal with the EU. I was talking about our deal with the USA. I see no reason for change. Just grandfather our existing arrangements as a EU country into a new trade deal in our sole name.

Trading with the EU will obviously require new arrangements of course. Nobody is denying that. It may require some give and take on freedom of movement and budget contributions, but it does not have to be as difficult a process as the Remain camp would have us believe. In my view, they will bend over backwards to ensure a vote to Leave causes as little disruption as possible to world trade, security and a whole host of other areas.

True, there will be a mood to "make as suffer" a little bit to discourage other countries from following our example, but the nose-cutters will soon be persuaded or replaced by more pragmatic people.

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By carnmores
24th Apr 2016 11:01

cfiled correction accepted

the same reasoning applies , they simply wont do it as you suggest , why because the UK civil service will want to get their pesky paws all over any agreement  just as they gold plate all EU directives etc , it will take years, USA will have far more important matters to deal with such as TIPP & EU negotiations NAFTA and the like before getting round to UK

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By cfield
24th Apr 2016 11:35

New US trade deal

Well the Governments on both sides of the Atlantic had better make sure that doesn't happen. The prospect of a downturn in economic growth will bang a few heads together.

My cut and paste example was just a little tongue-in-cheek if you didn't notice. I don't imagine for one minute it would be as easy as that, but the principle is sound. There is no good reason why we shouldn't continue to trade with the USA on much the same terms as we do now.

Back of the queue? Too busy? Do me a favour. That's all just talk to try and stop us making life difficult for the elites. Like I said, they will do their best to make sure there is as little damage as possible.

Too busy to stop a recession? I don't think so.

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By stepurhan
24th Apr 2016 12:36

Why?

cfield wrote:
Like I said, they will do their best to make sure there is as little damage as possible.
Just out of curiosity, why do you think we are so major a market to the US that they will make an effort to ensure a trade deal goes through quickly? Are you really saying that we are so important to the US market that failing to broker a trade with us will lead inevitably to a recession? That sounds like pure hyperbole to me, but maybe you have some independent information you could link to to back the assertion up.
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By cfield
24th Apr 2016 13:17

Not hyperbole at all

stepurhan wrote:

cfield wrote:
Like I said, they will do their best to make sure there is as little damage as possible.
Just out of curiosity, why do you think we are so major a market to the US that they will make an effort to ensure a trade deal goes through quickly? Are you really saying that we are so important to the US market that failing to broker a trade with us will lead inevitably to a recession? That sounds like pure hyperbole to me, but maybe you have some independent information you could link to to back the assertion up.

No, I'm not in possession of facts unknown to anyone else, but common sense tells you that a downturn in trade leads to a fall in economic growth for everyone. It may not cause an actual recession, but it doesn't need to. A simple downturn will concentrate minds enough to go into damage limitation mode. My question "Too busy to stop a recession?" was more rhetorical than a prediction of what would happen.

Anyway, Watcher has just come up with some interesting facts and figures with a link to his source, which I must confess I was unaware of. I simply assumed from what Obama said last week that the EU had a trade deal with the USA and that we would need one too if we left. If the EU doesn't have a trade deal after all, then I don't know what he was going on about.

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By Watcher
24th Apr 2016 12:37

What is Obama waffling on about ?

We do not have a trade deal with the USA now. 

The EU still does not have a trade deal with the USA (and probably won't have for years yet). 

Despite this, we are trading with the USA, we have done for centuries, why do we suddenly need a "trade deal"? 

 

Obama was simply part of operation fear, a pathetic attempt to scare voters into voting stay because the truth is that the facts, and the real figures, do not support the stay campaign.

In 2015 Britain imported $57.8 billion from the USA.  Exports to the USA were $56.3 billion. So, it is the USA that stands to lose if all trade ceased, not the UK.

 

 https://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c4120.html

 

 

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By Ruddles
24th Apr 2016 21:34

Oh dear

He's back - to those that don't understand, all will become clear

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By Marion Hayes
24th Apr 2016 20:57

@ruddles
Did I miss something?
Who is back where

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By ShirleyM
24th Apr 2016 21:38

Trump and Cruz are encouraging us to leave the EU

Then again, who believes anything that politicians say They spin the facts, and tell lies so often that we never know what to believe. Look at history, whose predictions were correct, and who kept their word. It isn't foolproof but it's a good starting point.

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By ShirleyM
24th Apr 2016 21:55

I've just seen this

For once, I truly hope this is just scaremongering.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/obama-requests-eu-support-for-possible-war-against-russia/5521560

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By DMGbus
25th Apr 2016 08:39

Special relationship amply demonstrated

ShirleyM wrote:

For once, I truly hope this is just scaremongering.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/obama-requests-eu-support-for-possible-war-against-russia/5521560

The special relationship appears to be one between politicians rather one between nations.

A UK "poodle" pet politician will be (again) used to back up the world wide ambitions of USA politicians.

"Now that I've rubbished Brexit you will of course back my world domination ambitions, won't you?"

As it happens the EU almost created a war with Russia a while back with the case of Ukraine - actively encouraging Ukraine to look towards Europe rather than towards Russia.    So, perhaps the EU would back the USA in a Russian war, but would the EU allow the UK to oppose the war?

The special relationship is about the USA wanting to rule the world and the UK wanting to rule itself.

Brexit is about the UK wanting to rule itself.  No more infraction proceedings.  No more lack of accountability.  No more financial contribution to an unauditable organisation.    The EU may well be seeing Bexit as a threat to the EU's continued future existence - "the end of the EU is nigh".    If the EU wishes to retain it's remaining members after Brexit then it sorely needs VERY radical reform.  As a purely trade-only partnership the EU potentially has a secure future.  As a cross border dictatorship the EU as it presently is deserves extinction.  Just maybe EU has encouraged the USA to rubbish Bexit as it threatens the future continued existence of unaccountability.

Any trade threats will be more damaging to countries that export to the UK than to the UK itself, given the balance of payments figures of recent years.

If the USA or Europe don't want our goods then we don't want theirs and will produce them ourselves creating an upsurge in UK home production of goods for home consumption.

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By ShirleyM
25th Apr 2016 09:08

Turkey adds to the problems

Turkey and Russia are winding each other up. Cameron has promised to put troops in Poland as part of the 'negotiations'. The USA has a warship in the Balkans, and Russian jets are buzzing them.

Why are the EU so keen to get the Ukraine and Turkey as members? Turkey isn't even in Europe and has a terrible record for human rights.

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By rememberscarborough
25th Apr 2016 11:36

The enemy of our enemy is our friend?

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