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Client bought an employee a £140 necklace for her birthday. Under the new trivial benefits rules I can't see anything that would exempt this from a P11D charge but have I overlooked something? It seems rather unfair to give an employee a present and then tell them that they've got to pay tax on it - the answer, I suppose, would be a PSA.

TIA

An interesting discussion and thanks to those that answered the question, more or less confirming my thoughts. I detect an element of cynicism, though, so - there is no connection between the employer and her employee. She generally treats staff very well as regards pay and benefits and in this particular instance it is a 50th birthday gift with, as far as I can tell, no ulterior motives. Although 50, she hasn't been there long enough for a long service award.

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By Tax Dragon
31st May 2019 13:49

£140?! That's more than I spent on my boyfriend's necklace!

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By Wilson Philips
31st May 2019 13:56

Cheapskate

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By Tax Dragon
31st May 2019 13:59

It meant I could spend more on... actually, no, this isn't a confessional!

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By Lone_Wolf
31st May 2019 14:09

"Oh you're a girl dragon. Why of course you're a girl dragon. You're just reeking of feminine beauty... "

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By Vile Nortin Naipaan
31st May 2019 14:12

What? Can only girls have boyfriends now?

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By Tax Dragon
31st May 2019 14:27

Girls and boys... how so-last-year you are! Even FB (who uses that now?!) had 70 gender choices before abandoning the idea of gender altogether.

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By Lone_Wolf
31st May 2019 14:28

Not at all, but given that over 90% of the UK population identify as heterosexual, then I'd say there's a fair chance that someone with a boyfriend is a girl.

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By Tax Dragon
31st May 2019 14:51

Are you making up stats?

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By Vile Nortin Naipaan
31st May 2019 14:55

76% of statistics are wrong anyway, and 87% are just made up on the spot.

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By Lone_Wolf
31st May 2019 14:57

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/culturalidentity/sex...

Not me, from an ONS survey. I guess they could be making them up.

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By Vile Nortin Naipaan
31st May 2019 15:09

Your survey is skewed, because it only covers sexuality, and doesn't deal with gender identity. Although it does recognise lesbian males.

What concerns me most about the survey though is that there are people out there who don't know how to identify themselves.

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By Tax Dragon
31st May 2019 15:13

What worries me is that there, it would seem, a lot of people who act LGB but identify as straight.

That can't be healthy for them.

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By Lone_Wolf
31st May 2019 15:26

How exactly do you act LGB? Is there a specific code of conduct for the LGB population?

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By Lone_Wolf
31st May 2019 15:24

Hardly going to skew it by much given that gender dysphoria affects such a small percentage of the population.

Whether Tax Dragon is male, female, or a non gender specific reptilian monster, surely as accountants we can agree that I'm not materially wrong in my assumption that Tax Dragon is a girl.

As for not knowing how to identify yourself - guess it depends on how weird your fetish is.

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By Tax Dragon
31st May 2019 15:36

Lone_Wolf wrote:

As for not knowing how to identify yourself - guess it depends on how weird your fetish is.

Hey, dragons may be reptilian but it seems we make your blood run hot.

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By Lone_Wolf
31st May 2019 15:41

I've sworn off dragons ever since my Dragon Queen went a bit off the rails.

Not sure what the proper name for having a dragon fetish would be...

Scalies according to Urban Dictionary.

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By Tax Dragon
31st May 2019 15:58

Lone_Wolf wrote:

I've sworn off dragons ever since my Dragon Queen went a bit off the rails.

Your mistake was trying to confine any lady (let alone a Dragon Queen) to rails.

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By Accountant A
31st May 2019 14:12

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By paul.benny
31st May 2019 14:31

Long service award?
Requires 20+ years service.

Failing that, PSA - or the client pays personally.

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By Lone_Wolf
31st May 2019 15:31

All this talk and and the OP barely has an answer.

P11D benefit or PSA (unless it can qualify as a long service award)

Is this strictly an employee-employer relationship?

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By Tax Dragon
31st May 2019 15:37

Lone_Wolf wrote:

Is this strictly an employee-employer relationship?

That was an undertone to my initial comment.

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By Lone_Wolf
31st May 2019 15:44

I was too focused on my Shrek reference to grasp that.

It would be interesting to see what the employee's significant other (if they have one) thought of the gift.

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By Vile Nortin Naipaan
31st May 2019 15:49

OMG. Wehn you can quote lines from Shrek, life must surely be all but over.?

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By Lone_Wolf
31st May 2019 15:55

When you've got kids that go through a phase of only wanting to watch Shrek then it starts to imprint itself on you.

I'm confident I could rhyme off just about every line in that bloody movie.

So in summary, yes, my life is all but over.

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By RedFive
31st May 2019 15:44

He or she is trying to sh*g him or her.

DLA it.

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By Lone_Wolf
31st May 2019 15:48

Friday challenge. Who can make something rude out of DLA it. Go!

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By Vile Nortin Naipaan
31st May 2019 15:53

DJKL loves @[email protected]!

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By andy.partridge
31st May 2019 15:55

There nothing trivial about the obvious sexual harrassment taking place. It's a serious HR matter.

For other amateur sleuths there is only one member I know that always signs off with 'TIA'.

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By Lone_Wolf
31st May 2019 16:13

Only the knowledgeable among us will guess that.

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By Tax Dragon
31st May 2019 16:29

Atlea? Coherent (edit to a) question like that? No way! (No offence! :-))

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By Lone_Wolf
31st May 2019 16:34

My guess is based purely on this question: https://www.accountingweb.co.uk/any-answers/bik-1

Could well be wrong though as he seems to sign most off just "Thanks".

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By Accountant A
31st May 2019 16:47

Quote:

For other amateur sleuths there is only one member I know that always signs off with 'TIA'.

So they can't be @rsed to do some basic technical research and then they can't even be @rsed to type "Thank you".

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By Tax Dragon
31st May 2019 16:55

The OP has been edited to include thanks.

No idea how long ago that was. Edits and anonymous. Two functions of this site that deserve to go.

It's why I resolved not to get involved in these threads....

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By Tax Dragon
31st May 2019 16:57

Yeah but you were never going to stick with that. However, I am RESOLUTE not to give CLEAR ANSWERS in these anonymous threads.

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By Lone_Wolf
31st May 2019 16:59

You're talking to yourself again...

It's Friday, it's 5 o'clock, away and get yourself a drink.

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By Tax Dragon
31st May 2019 17:03

Blind mouse: is this the part where we run away?

Perfect! See y'all.

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By Ammie
07th Jun 2019 11:15

A very relaxed thread of responses.

Everyone is clearly loosening up for the weekend.

Enjoy!!

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By Vile Nortin Naipaan
07th Jun 2019 11:45

Was it a pearl necklace?

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By Wilson Philips
07th Jun 2019 12:07

Since the question indicates that both employer and employee are female that seems unlikely!

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