Stupid client

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My client had an overdrawn director's current account.

I told him how much corporation tax to pay and how much s455 to pay. I told him he would get back the s455 9 months and 1 day after the year end of the accounting period in which he cleared the the overdrawn director's current account. He cleared it.

He paid the corporation tax but he didnt pay the s455. He's now complaining that he hasn't had a refund of the s455!

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By DKB-Sheffield
25th Aug 2021 15:59

Similar to the client I had who paid the s455 but a request was submitted to offset the reclaim against a future year's tax liabilty.

When I explained in minute detail what had actually happened to the reclaim (tax payment reduced by £XX,XXX etc), my client nodded in acceptance, and then with sudden realisation said... "so I get the bit about my tax being less but, that still doesn't explain why my refund is missing"!

Note to self, never try to make it easy for a client by requesting an offset. For future, I'll get clients to pay the taxes in full and expect the refund when it is paid!

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By Paul Crowley
25th Aug 2021 16:15

I agree
No offsetting here based on prior clients' failing to understand
The problem is HMRC doing their own offsetting
Refund of £5,000 CT took more than a year
Sept 2019 to refund 2018 liability CT
Finally per portal refunded 18 Aug 21
Arrived at bank 24 Aug 21
Offset by HMRC PAYE £265

And HMRC think MTD auto feed will sort it out if client photographs the refund letter

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By Justin Bryant
25th Aug 2021 16:06

Careful. Although stupid people are of course aplenty, the client could potentially work out who he is from your comments. (Like that hilarious woman complaining about breach of confidence a year or so ago.)

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By Paul Crowley
25th Aug 2021 16:16

That one was parodied and had my vote for post of the year

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By lionofludesch
25th Aug 2021 16:42

Paul Crowley wrote:

That one was parodied and had my vote for post of the year

Yeah - that was great.

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By lionofludesch
25th Aug 2021 16:41

It's always entertaining to read about thick folk.

A woman asked me only this week how to work out her weight loss. She knew her starting weight and what she weighed now but didn't know how to work out what she'd lost. Could I help her ? I told her to take one from the other but she said she didn't understand.

I was at a bit of a loss to explain in an alternative way.

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By Paul Crowley
25th Aug 2021 16:44

Answer
Find what you lost and weigh it

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By lionofludesch
25th Aug 2021 17:11

Luckily, she's not a darts player.

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By DJKL
25th Aug 2021 17:15

Ask her if she has read "The Merchant of Venice"

Frankly if she cannot comprehend anything with numbers she might appreciate why all the other numbers are afraid of seven?

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By Arthur Putey
26th Aug 2021 10:34

The mistake you made was that you did not attempt to explain it in terms of debits and credits.

Perhaps a certain, er, celebrity could explain it in terms of net weight loss following full body liposuction, botox, and [***] implants.

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By petersaxton
26th Aug 2021 10:45

I remember when I was a student (accounting degree) and we were sat in a bar listening to a young lady talking about "the meaning of life". My friend decided to interject and said: "That's all very well, but what do you debit and what do you credit?"

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By HamishMackrell
29th Aug 2021 13:54

does your engagement agreement with this person extend to this commission?

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By HamishMackrell
29th Aug 2021 13:54

does your engagement agreement with this person extend to this commission?

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By HamishMackrell
29th Aug 2021 13:54

does your engagement agreement with this person extend to this commission?

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By atleastisoundknowledgable...
25th Aug 2021 17:18

I once had a loooong YE meeting with 2 directors to go through the accounts in minute line-by-line detail explaining differences with their budgets. We’re talking many hours. Can’t remember what it was but Director 1 asked about something to which my response was “that doesn’t go in the accounts”. Director 2 pipes up “and what are the accounts again?”

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By User deleted
25th Aug 2021 18:37

I find increasingly these days you have to adopt the Father Ted sketch in the caravan showing cows near and far away

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By SXGuy
25th Aug 2021 18:57

What did he say when you asked why he expects a refund for something he didn't pay? Although saying that I've had a few clients ask if they are entitled to a refund when they never paid any tax to begin with.

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By DKB-Sheffield
25th Aug 2021 19:50

There are some really good accountants near me. Their clients never pay a penny in tax and always get a hefty rebate!!!!

In the past I have tried to explain to clients how this doesn't add up. Nowadays I just nod and say, "well they're obviously better than me then!"

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By DJKL
25th Aug 2021 19:50

After the Rishi giveaways this last year that, in a pavlovian way, is perfectly understandable .

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By Tax Dragon
25th Aug 2021 20:39

Talking of pavlova, you should try fruits of the forest. (Deep fried, maybe, in your part of the world.)

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By Arthur Putey
26th Aug 2021 10:35

In some parts of the world Pavlov would have been offered deep fried dog

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By atleastisoundknowledgable...
25th Aug 2021 20:23

TBF at the firm I trained at we had an unincorporated landlord with about £7m of mortgages. He got a tax rebate each year but never paid any income tax.

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By petersaxton
25th Aug 2021 21:56

SXGuy wrote:

What did he say when you asked why he expects a refund for something he didn't pay? Although saying that I've had a few clients ask if they are entitled to a refund when they never paid any tax to begin with.


He said: "You told me I'd get a refund."
My response: "You would have done if you had paid the £6k in the first place."
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By SXGuy
26th Aug 2021 07:37

I do wonder if I were not in this profession whether id also have some crazy ideas about tax. I don't know.

Couple weeks ago a client asked why she has a tax bill when she's only just paid 8k in tax. Turned out that 8k should have been paid the previous year and she didn't bother.

Couldn't understand why she had two tax bills in one year. You couldn't make it up.

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By Catherine Newman
27th Aug 2021 08:59

I get that fairly often too.

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By GHarr497688
25th Aug 2021 23:27

You can relax as MTD will solve most of these problems with clients - HMRC have written it down , in fact we may all be out of a job if HMRC are correct !! Goodnight

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By Hugo Fair
26th Aug 2021 00:10

The same people that thought this Mitchell & Webb sketch was a training film?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owI7DOeO_yg

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By Arthur Putey
26th Aug 2021 15:07

Thanks for that, hilarious. And I then went on to watch the Avocado Bathroom sketch!

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By Leywood
26th Aug 2021 08:57

That have me a genuinely laugh out loud moment.

I blame lockdown on the reduced brain functions of many in society at the moment, when in truth I think too many folk are so busy listening to ‘influencers’ on you tube and the idiots on programmes like Love Island, so what little brains they had have turned to mush. Our education system is appalling in places to.

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By Red Leader
26th Aug 2021 14:31

You hear detailed explanation.
Client hears: "Blah blah blah."

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By Arthur Putey
26th Aug 2021 15:17

Reminds me of the Far Side cartoon, what we say to dogs/cats and what they hear

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By Red Leader
26th Aug 2021 16:31

There was also something similar in a Black Books episode when Bernard goes to see his accountant. The scene ends with the accountant jumping out the window just as the police storm in to arrest him.

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By JamesDS
27th Aug 2021 12:46

Another post that will come up in searches for answers to "stupid client". We really should have a more granular filing system than "stupid client" and "stupid HMRC".
:)

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