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Subcontractor clients "My mates got £x refund"

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Does anybody else get sick and tired of subbies who whine about their level of repayments. I'm fed up of "why is my repayment this when my mates are all getting several thousand". Probably because they're no doubt completing their own returns, putting in ludicrous expense claims, and nothing gets checked.

I'm going to dump any that whine and won't take any more on. If Covid has taught me anything, it's to have a client base that makes me happy.

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By Hugo Fair
23rd Jul 2021 23:15

1-0 to you!

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By Truthsayer
24th Jul 2021 00:56

'why is my repayment this when my mates are all getting several thousand'

Just say that as you are not his mates' accountant, you cannot say why: then carry on. What is your client going to do? Go elsewhere? You're probably okay with that.

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By AdamMurphy
24th Jul 2021 07:21

Truthsayer wrote:

'why is my repayment this when my mates are all getting several thousand'

Just say that as you are not his mates' accountant, you cannot say why: then carry on. What is your client going to do? Go elsewhere? You're probably okay with that.

No probably about it. And he’ll be somewhere else next year whether his choice or mine as this happens every time except the year he changed his van of course!

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By tracyannw
24th Jul 2021 07:32

I wish it was only a problem with the subbies - the amount of times I have heard the likes of: "but my mate down the pub says he can have dinner with him family every week and claim it" or the likes. These mates down the pub/neighbours have so much to answer too. I have recently 'binned' a few clients due to disagreements over what I was willing to include as expenses for them.

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By tonyaustin
27th Jul 2021 12:17

Their mates down the pub probably pay the expense through the business bank account and the accountant either adds it back in the tax computation or, if a company, charges it to director's loan account. The client never looks at or understands what is happening and thinks they are getting a deduction for it.

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By SXGuy
24th Jul 2021 07:41

My fav.

Him: My mate gets a tax rebate each year why don't I.

Me: What would you like repaid if you didn't pay any tax last year?

Him: erm..

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By Andy556
24th Jul 2021 11:37

Completely agree.
It's annoying to the point that I explain the basics and reasoning why (some others have different expenses, different income levels, different scenarios etc or hopefully not but it's possible they inflate expenses).
If after I've explained they still complain then I give them the choice to stay with me, get their tax return prepared correctly and it can be justified if HMRC ever ask.
Or use the same accountant as their mate or prepare it themselves if they aren't happy with my service.

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By AdamMurphy
24th Jul 2021 12:52

I know historically of two other firms in my town alone who have a lot of subcontractor clients who had major HMRC investigations then the subby clients had to pay back some tax after expenses were adjusted.
But as we know, HMRC checks can take years to instigate sometimes

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By sanjay100
24th Jul 2021 12:50

These are the same people who claimed the maximum SEISS grant when their business has not been affected and on top claimed the £50K bounceback loan when their turnover was much less than 200K.

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By Mr_awol
26th Jul 2021 11:32

I dont mind it too much when its this way round.

What is worse is when you take a new one on and they just happen to get a big refund that year. Then they go and recommend you to a bunch of their mates who expect the same and are bitterly disappointed when their circumstances don't give them an equivalent end result.

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By DJKL
27th Jul 2021 12:25

If it makes you happy
It can't be that bad
If it makes you happy
Then why the hell are you so sad

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By JD
27th Jul 2021 13:44

It gets even more interesting when in the same pub, the next mate then says he has so much more in SEISS support or a mortgage based on earnings/tax liability of next to nothing.

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By jdm5454
27th Jul 2021 16:16

One of my subbys tried to do his own tax return and put his income down as employed rather than self employed.

Did not qualify for SEiSS and had to pay NI when we re-submitted correctly.

Then asked why his refund was not as much as his buddies!

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