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Tax Return IRMark

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We have new tax return software this year - yes, we had to cope with that on top of the Covid 19 issues, its been quite a year so far.  We have been finding in a good 10% of the CT600s that when we go to file the CT600 that the IRMark has changed on the software so no longer agrees with the signed declaration from the client.  Our software provider has advised that this is due to the "HMRC Schema (which is applied behind the scenes)" which changes the IRMark.  But they have stated it isn't important becase HMRC do not look at the IRMark .  What do other people think of this?  It is really frustrating and is tempting me to return to our much simpler rturn software we had before. 

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By Tim Vane
22nd Jun 2020 09:32

Never heard such nonsense. Time to get new software

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By lionofludesch
22nd Jun 2020 09:35

Do you add something after the signing ?

The date, perhaps ?

The IR mark is formed by adding all the entries together, digitally, and thed IR mark is the answer.

Never used it ever and it's not important to me. I supppose it might be if there was a dispute about whether or not something had arrived but the number is stored on the electronic copy on Taxfiler and I always print off the receipt as a belt and braces.

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By monksview
22nd Jun 2020 09:42

Definitely not changed anything since printing the copy for signing. I'm liking the old software more and more.

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By Wilson Philips
22nd Jun 2020 09:44

The only real significance of an IR Mark is that it serves as proof that what you submitted was what the client signed. Other than that it serves no useful purpose and there is no form of cross-checking etc.

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By Wanderer
22nd Jun 2020 09:59

IR Marks have been in place for 23 years.

Never once had any sort of enquiry or issue surrounding the IR Mark.

Not worth wasting time giving any further consideration.

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By graydjames
22nd Jun 2020 10:28

Wanderer wrote:

IR Marks have been in place for 23 years.

Never once had any sort of enquiry or issue surrounding the IR Mark.

Not worth wasting time giving any further consideration.

Wow, that's helpful!

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By graydjames
22nd Jun 2020 10:27

I remember when electronic filing first came in I used to get very hung up over ensuring that the IR Mark on the filed copy was the same as the copy the client approved. It was frustrating because you might make one tiny, inconsequential change after signing, like a date or something, and then have to go through the entire process again. After a time doing this, I gave up. I don't worry about it now.

Never heard of this rubbish about HMRC schema changing the IR Mark behind the scenes. That sounds like a smoke screen to me.

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By SteveHa
22nd Jun 2020 11:55

If I ever make an inconsequential change to a Return after approval, I simply send a copy of the submitted Return to the client. If they object, I can amend. (They never do)

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By SXGuy
22nd Jun 2020 12:04

Ive used an IRMark when confirming to HMRC that a tax return has been submitted, and has been successful.

Ive had to include the IRMark on SA302's for lenders/brokers as proof of submission.

But Ive never had any one query them, or know of a way to check them against anything.

But the IRMark should not change if no data has changed. TaxCalc will generate the IRMark prior to printing to sign, and use that during submission.

Sounds like your software provider hasn't got a clue.

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By Cloudcounter
22nd Jun 2020 12:50

I've used the IR mark in the past when a client can't (or won't) sign electronically but doesn't want to wait for the post. The return is emailed and I ask the client to email back quoting the IR mark and approving for submission. That way there is no doubt which return has been approved

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By NH
22nd Jun 2020 14:09

care to share what software you were using and what you are now using?

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By monksview
22nd Jun 2020 14:20

the new software is Taxcalc, already being used for accounts which is why we added the tax module for easy import of accounts.

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By Settingupalone
22nd Jun 2020 14:50

I use Tax Calc and had this issue with CT600s a couple of weeks ago. I am absolutely sure I didnt make any changes from sending, signing and submitting!

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By Wilson Philips
22nd Jun 2020 15:11

Has the software had an update? I know that if CCH is updated after generating the IR mark, it gives a "data has changed" message even if nothing has. It doesn't automatically change the IR mark - one has the choice of re-generating (which one must do if any changes are to be accepted) or ignoring the "changes" and filing with the existing IR Mark. Perhaps TaxCalc automatically re-generates IR Marks on an update (which would be a weakness if so)?

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