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Taxcalc Fetch function

Not getting expected info from HMRC

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Anyone else trying to use the Taxcalc Fetch function? I have a number of returns (mostly where taxpayer had multiple short term paye jobs in construction industry) which I had parked until this was available. Now that it is available its not giving me what I wanted which is the various employers and their pay and tax deducted amounts. All it seems to give is the NIC information for 17/18.

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By Wanderer
13th Jun 2018 09:27

Early days yet for HMRC to get their act together for 2017/2018.
I mean each of the employers would have to uploaded the information at or before the time of each payment. We are only 2+ months on from the tax year end and this is way beyond the abilities of HMRC to have this information available for the APIs to download at this time.
Even when it is available it is highly unlikely in the circumstances you describe for the information to be both accurate & complete.

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By Cheesy-peas
13th Jun 2018 09:41

Hi there, we've been told by CCH that the information will not be available from HMRC to bring into the software until at least September

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By Tornado
13th Jun 2018 11:09

TaxCalc do say in the accompanying notification about this newly activated function that the information from HMRC is probably unreliable and incomplete. My personal view is that it will never be reliable and complete.

This is not the fault of TaxCalc and although this is a feature that we have been waiting for a long time (well before MTD was thought of), HMRC still cannot get it to work properly.

It seems that they do not know as much about us as they thought they did (or ever will).

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By Tornado
13th Jun 2018 11:46

Thinking ahead, the information that HMRC will have on individuals will never be complete but HMRC are pinning MTD very much on the basis that they know more about us than we do.

The reality is that some people will look at what HMRC show and 'forget' to declare what HMRC do not know. How will HMRC know about anything else unless the taxpayer declares it.

In a more kinder view, some people will just assume that HMRC are correct and go with what is shown.

A great help for Accountants maybe, but we may have to work harder to get all the information we require especially if the Taxpayer can see what HMRC already have from their Personal Tax Accounts.

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By 1 2
13th Jun 2018 12:04

As others have suggested, we've tried this a few times in the last day or so, no luck. Authorisation bit worked, then it says HMRC's API is borked or something.

It's great in theory, sucky in practice.

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By atleastisoundknowledgable...
13th Jun 2018 18:15

The email TaxCalc sent me the other day saying the API was active - as Tornado says - had a big disclaimer saying it won’t work until August at the earliest, even then it won’t necessarily be right.

Again, as per Tornado, this is HMRC’s fault not TaxCalc’s.

Personally, we’ll be ignoring this ‘feature’ for another tax year at least - unless it gets glowing reviews in the Autumn from the AW crew.

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By Paul Hawes
14th Jun 2018 13:54

The problem is HMRC figures will never be trustworthy. I used it for a few 16/17 returns but still had to check the figures against the source documents. Felt like there was little to no time saved.

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By hiu612
14th Jun 2018 10:05

Digita have also said this is probably not live till September / Oct time.

Incidentally, though, I heard somewhere (can't recall if it was Digita, HMRC or elsewhere) that all HMRC will give you through this service is an aggregated total of income and PAYE, not a variety of totals broken down by employment.

If that's true then its likely to be a lot less useful, and act only as a cross check to the info the client provides rather than giving a set of figures the client can be asked to agree to.

Suspect its wait and see for the time being, and hope it might be available and useful for the habitual late filer clients.

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By Wanderer
14th Jun 2018 10:36

hiu612 wrote:

........... all HMRC will give you through this service is an aggregated total of income and PAYE, not a variety of totals broken down by employment.

For 2016/2017 the API provided the individual employment details.
Occupational pensions were one aggregated figure.
(From memory the State pension wasn't pulled through at all though).
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By Tornado
14th Jun 2018 10:49

My experience for 2017 Returns (in December 2017) was that for one client who had five employments, only one was fetched by the API.

State Pensions are not shown at all, although this information can be obtained usually from usual Agent services (but not in all cases).

I am yet to see how Interest, Dividends and private transactions are going to be tackled by this system, but I have a feeling that I will be dead before that miracle happens.

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