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How on earth did HMRC allow him to be a non dom? His family came to UK with nothing snd worked hard to make a success of his life and career but i do not understand how he managed to obtain ND status. How much did he earn abroad and if not remitted where are his earnings stashed? N

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By Tax Dragon
12th Jul 2022 12:27

Because he hadn't at that point committed to the UK... and as soon as he did he paid the tax?

Even the Guardian isn't critical of this. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2022/apr/10/sajid-javid-non-dom-sta...

(I confess to a vested interest as I don't want the job but Lion has started an unauthorised campaign on my behalf.)

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By DJKL
12th Jul 2022 12:33

Just run and then negotiate your block of MPs with one of the others for a cabinet position.

Of course if really disliked in the party they will maybe create a new Sec of State for HMRC position just for you .(A worse fate than NI used to be)

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By carnmores
12th Jul 2022 12:48

May thanks. I note that he still had non dom status as an MP and only remitted when he became a minister. This should have happened on becoming an MP that was undoubtedly a statement of intent.

If I had a vote i'd probably vote for Penny, sorry to disappoint you lol

the guardian must be going soft where is their usual unpleasant vitriol

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By lionofludesch
12th Jul 2022 23:51

Tax Dragon wrote:

(I confess to a vested interest as I don't want the job but Lion has started an unauthorised campaign on my behalf.)

OK fair enough. I'll go for Mick Lynch then.

Never gets flustered, talks sense.

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By Hugo Fair
13th Jul 2022 01:09

Hmmm, this is the person who when asked why he claimed his salary was £84,000
despite the Union saying he earned £124,000 per year plus benefits ... replied that the higher total package ‘includes National Insurance, tax, and pension payments’ (unlike anyone else)?

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By Paul Crowley
13th Jul 2022 11:45

Income net
What a plank

Yet to see any evidence that any of them are better than Boris for the position of a leader of that party. The leader bit is really about getting votes. Boris did it, the rest will all flounder.
I really think the back stabbing was of the entire party
Who votes for a leader on the basis of being the person that cuts the most tax?

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By Tornado
13th Jul 2022 12:28

Pretty much my assessment as well.

In my view, none of the main parties have anyone of the necessary stature to successfully lead this nation confidently in national and international matters and the disproportionate attention to matters of little significance that we have seen is nothing but petty politics.

Who would I want to be at the helm when the Russians point their weapons at us, I have to be honest that my vote would go to Boris as would many Conservative voters who feel cheated by this deposition of a leader they elected who has already shown his strengths (and weaknesses), taking us through extremely difficult unprecedented times and has placed our Country at second in the world in supporting Ukraine in fighting the invasion by Russia.

It also seems unlikely to me that Sir Kier Starmer, Lisa Nandy or Angela Rayner would be able to do this.

Why do the Labour Party allow such people to front them when in the past they have been lead by people that I respected a great deal, many of them women. Even now I am impressed by Andy Burham who makes good points and whilst I don't necessarily agree with him on everything, it is difficult to argue against some of the matters he raises. In my view, with him as leader, the Labour Party would gain credibility again.

Still, this is great news fodder and is as good as any political drama, so it seems the best think to do is sit back and enjoy it and hope that whoever the new Prime Minister is, they will have the skills to point this country in the right direction for economic fortune whilst having the strength to stand up against monsters like Putin.

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By DJKL
13th Jul 2022 12:57

The longer an opposition is out of power the weaker its shadow members look compared with those who have more recently held office, this is always the way, e.g. David Cameron had to grow into looking like a leader.

I am afraid Boris never struck me as someone who could deal with detail, he might be larger than life with the public but I always doubted his executive abilities.

I am also not that sure of the executive abilities of the runners and riders so things may get interesting later this year, the Conservatives do really need to display competence and deliver some of their platitudes, not sure they have it in them. (The ones who I think can deliver, like Gove, Wallace may well be out in the margins whilst some of the current candidates do their deals for office- position on the spectrum of individual political views is I suspect going to override ability)

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By lionofludesch
13th Jul 2022 12:11

Hugo Fair wrote:

Hmmm, this is the person who when asked why he claimed his salary was £84,000
despite the Union saying he earned £124,000 per year plus benefits ... replied that the higher total package ‘includes National Insurance, tax, and pension payments’ (unlike anyone else)?

I've never really understood the interest in other folk's income. Imho, anyone commenting on pay should be required to place a statement of their own income online.

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By Hugo Fair
13th Jul 2022 14:42

Not sure if that's a dig at me or the odious Piers Moron (who I'm told was the interviewer)?

But my point wasn't about the scale of Mr. Lynch's remuneration - merely about his misleading announcement and his subsequent attempt at explanation.
Would you be happier if he was wholly unaware of the difference between Gross & Net pay, OR if he was deliberately trying to misdirect?
After all, to re-use your point, he didn't have to make any announcement in the first place.

FWIW I know next to nothing about Mick (nor the two-sides of the rail dispute) - but was evidencing that your "Never gets flustered" comment wasn't wholly true!

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By lionofludesch
13th Jul 2022 14:57

Hugo Fair wrote:

Not sure if that's a dig at me or the odious Piers Moron (who I'm told was the interviewer)?

I just think it should be a private matter between employer and employee.

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By Paul Crowley
13th Jul 2022 15:43

Which is why the person should decline to answer or be correct
A deliberate mislead or failure to understand leads to................All the MP's stabbing the perpetrator in the back.
No idea why the revolutionary guard decided to kill the golden goose
The Tories had never had it so good
PMs do not need to do anything or know anything. That is why there are so many advisors

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By Tax Dragon
12th Jul 2022 12:35

More generally, the idea (that took hold when I was young, I think) that to be in public office you must never have parked on a double yellow, had a duvet day and definitely never inhaled seems just to have led to having bigger and better liars taking the top jobs. Here and overseas, in fact. So it's time to back away from "oh but you once did this or that!" (imho).

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By Tax Dragon
12th Jul 2022 12:37

Actually Trump is an unbelievable liar; not a better one at all. I need to work on my adjectives.

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By DJKL
12th Jul 2022 12:40

It seems to me that these days the secret of lying is just ignoring any response the lie elicits.

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By carnmores
12th Jul 2022 12:50

no saints please that would be truly awful. we have all lied and broken the law somewhere along the line, in my cases rather often

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By Tax Dragon
12th Jul 2022 12:55

so was your OP more about HMRC than the named individual?

Re when he did it... I'm not sure the tax rate was the 50% he wanted to pay until after he became an MP?

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By carnmores
12th Jul 2022 13:17

a bit of both , i get your comment , hindsight eh!

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By SteveHa
12th Jul 2022 13:11

Oddly, I've not long posted on a different, less serious platform that the outgoing PM was fined for an offence that he was instrumental in creating, Sunak for the same offence. In 2008 Badenoch hacked Harriet Harman's website and made untrue and unauthorised changes (contrary to the Computer Misuse Act). Jeremy Hunt failed to register as a PSC (a criminal offence). I could probably go on, and up to now the only one that I can't dig up any dirt on is Penny Morduant (that should not be taken to be an endorsement).

I'm starting to wonder if a history of criminal behaviour is now a requirement for Tory PMs.

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By ireallyshouldknowthisbut
12th Jul 2022 13:16

Don't forget Gove's coke habit which is an offence if not one he has been convicted of.

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By SteveHa
12th Jul 2022 13:21

Oh yes, and I'm of the opinion that just being Liz Truss should be a criminal offence.

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By ireallyshouldknowthisbut
12th Jul 2022 13:39

SteveHa wrote:

Oh yes, and I'm of the opinion that just being Liz Truss should be a criminal offence.

I am flabbergasted that she is even in with a chance.

Still if she gets in she can keep the run going of a (substantially) worse PM each time.

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By Michael Davies
13th Jul 2022 10:58

Will the Tory MP s for once show a bit of discretion ? Liz Truss is basically unelectable.I am a floating voter and if she gets the job; bang goes any chance of the Tories winning the next election.Rishi hangs on the margins of getting the party over the line in two years.His tax indiscretions; when this year he has dragged a lot of low income electorate into the tax net,goes heavily against him.Penny Mordaunt is the sensible choice; probably as we know so little about her.When Owen Jones backs her to win the next election,then there is a clear message there.
Ironically I was amazed on GB News that a presenter suggested Labour were odds on to win.He forgets that with Scotland being a Labour no go area,it is going to be very difficult for them.Nevermind that Starmer is as boring and non commital as a brick wall and Angela Rayner very much marmite.
The Tories do not need a lot to win .But opting for Liz Truss would be a serious own goal.

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By DJKL
13th Jul 2022 16:29

The SNP will accept Danegeld from Labour for a confidence and supply agreement and after circa 15 years out of office Labour will agree to this (inc indy Ref 2).

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By DJKL
13th Jul 2022 10:42

"Being Liz Truss" sounds like a movie title.

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By memyself-eye
12th Jul 2022 14:03

I prefer Pepsi to Coke - is that illegal also?

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By Tax Dragon
12th Jul 2022 17:19

SteveHa wrote:

Oddly, I've not long posted on a different, less serious platform that the outgoing PM was fined for an offence that he was instrumental in creating, Sunak for the same offence. In 2008 Badenoch hacked Harriet Harman's website and made untrue and unauthorised changes (contrary to the Computer Misuse Act). Jeremy Hunt failed to register as a PSC (a criminal offence). I could probably go on, and up to now the only one that I can't dig up any dirt on is Penny Morduant (that should not be taken to be an endorsement).

I'm starting to wonder if a history of criminal behaviour is now a requirement for Tory PMs.

Wait, back up a bit there.... there's a less serious platform??!

Re your last line, sounds like little has changed since Baldrick became an MP. (Except afaik being Tory wasn't an option back then.)

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By spilly
13th Jul 2022 13:25

Penny Mordaunt was accused of giving a smutty speech in the House back in 2014 - it fulfilled a dare issued by officers in her RN mess.

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By Tornado
13th Jul 2022 13:39

"Penny Mordaunt was accused of giving a smutty speech in the House back in 2014 - it fulfilled a dare issued by officers in her RN mess."

Does that mean that she is unelectable or does it show that she has the guts to do something that others might not have done.

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By carnmores
13th Jul 2022 14:06

It was all about [***] not hens

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By Tornado
13th Jul 2022 14:22

carnmores wrote:

It was all about [***] not hens

Sounds like she was in a mess to start off with.

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By carnmores
13th Jul 2022 17:13

Officers mess is where the dare/bet arose

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By Paul Crowley
13th Jul 2022 16:17

I cannot vote but she is the only credible candidate that the World would take seriously
The RN Service to country is a real added benefit that the others could only aspire to.

Edit
Tom Tugendhat Served as a Territorial in both Iraq and Afganistan. Shame he is so low in the betting odds

Hilarious
The chancellor (new one) founded YouGov polling company that now predicts that he has no chance of winning

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By DJKL
13th Jul 2022 16:16

Catch is ex service MPs have a limited track record of success these days- IDS (Guards) ,DD (TAs) .

And then of course you get to say Eric Joyce.

In years past lots of MPs were ex services, post 39-45 it was very common, but as the years have gone past this has diminished and few have really gone anywhere with their political careers since Ted Heath.

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By Paul Crowley
13th Jul 2022 16:20

And Captain Paddy Ashdown, Commando and SBS

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By Paul Crowley
13th Jul 2022 18:10

Juat watched Penny's video
She will get the member's votes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swGdVIbbm2c

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By lionofludesch
13th Jul 2022 18:44

Paul Crowley wrote:

Juat watched Penny's video
She will get the member's votes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=swGdVIbbm2c

Tom? What do you reckon?

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By Paul Crowley
13th Jul 2022 18:52

https://news.sky.com/story/penny-mordaunt-on-course-to-be-next-pm-if-she...

Penny beats all per the YouGov poll of members

Snakey Sunak bottom but one per same poll, only beating the YouGov founder.

MPs should ignore members polling at their own peril

Yesterdays poll so it could now be inferred that Sunak is bottom of the current list, and members preferred one of the eliminated over the MP's chosen one.
I wonder if MPs were just following the betting odds and hoping to be promoted based on supporting the bookies' favourite

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By ireallyshouldknowthisbut
12th Jul 2022 13:19

It really is slim pickings. Like picking your favourite STD. Some might be better than others, but they are all STD's.

Not much better in the Red of Yellow teams mind albeit they do at least seem to be interest more in the country than their own back pockets and 'donations' as I think bribes are officially called now.

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By carnmores
12th Jul 2022 13:30

Its not STD or even worse VD, its STI now. Get down the clap clinic and they will tell you its a mild infection :-)

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By ireallyshouldknowthisbut
12th Jul 2022 13:34

@carnmores, I will have bow to your more up to date knowledge of correct terminology in this area.

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By carnmores
12th Jul 2022 14:14

Terminology only lol my last visit to said place was 40 years ago

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By Hugo Fair
12th Jul 2022 14:44

Makes you realise that someone in the NHS had a sense of humour when they came up with the "Clap for Heroes" slogan.

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By ireallyshouldknowthisbut
12th Jul 2022 14:57

Hugo Fair wrote:

Makes you realise that someone in the NHS had a sense of humour when they came up with the "Clap for Heroes" slogan.

well Rishi had "Eat out to help out" which is in the same sort of area.

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By tom123
12th Jul 2022 14:08

(confession) - I have a vote in this thing...

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By carnmores
12th Jul 2022 14:15

Do tell

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By ireallyshouldknowthisbut
12th Jul 2022 14:53

tom123 wrote:

(confession) - I have a vote in this thing...

And you seemed like such a nice fella :P

Not a swivelled eye or a racist comment out of you. You sure you are in the right party?

I (very briefly) joined the greens due to a good friend of mine who is a councillor and though they could do with some 'business sense'. They couldn't organise a school jumble sale. It was horrific. Lovely well meaning people the lot of them. The planet is doomed.

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By DJKL
12th Jul 2022 15:08

Oh Tom.

Mind you I did suggest to my family last night that if we all , together with two of the neighbours , joined our local Conservative Party (Edinburgh North and Leith) we likely could control it. If you work out how many actual members they have in the entire UK, spread them out by constituency, discount numbers re Scottish seats (The Panda factor) and allow for the non mobile OAP members that will not turn up, then 10-12 of us can likely wrest control of our constituency- and I did buy my other half some peals for our 30th so all she now needs is a twinset and a blue rinse- undermine them from within.

Mind you, Lib Dems sent me an e mail asking me to put myself forward within same as a candidate selector or similar so they really are desperate.

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By Tornado
12th Jul 2022 14:49

Boris for me. The devil you know and all that.

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