U-Turn Double Cab Pickups

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Quite suprised to read a complete u-turn on this, feels like commons sense prevails! 

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/update-on-hmrc-double-cab-pick-up-gui...

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By rmillaree
19th Feb 2024 20:18

lolo - you cant make it up

must be an election coming soon !!!

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By David Ex
19th Feb 2024 20:24

Clown show!

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By Dougscott
19th Feb 2024 21:04

I suppose most of the drivers of these vehicles are probably Tories.

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By AccountingBen
20th Feb 2024 08:39

Surrey Farmers and Construction Directors have been on the blower to their pals

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By FactChecker
19th Feb 2024 21:26

It's not a u-turn when you end up facing in the same direction as when you started ... and it's certainly not due to an outbreak of common-sense.

Embarrassing incompetence? Yes.
Clueless, pre-election panicking? Yes.
Preference for placing it someone-else's-problem long grass? Yes.

But nothing's been reversed (more of a 'whoops, sorry didn't mean to publish that yet') ... we are now 'as you were' exactly a week ago BUT "government will consult on the draft legislation to ensure that it achieves that outcome before introducing it in the next available Finance Bill."

So instead of a temporary change in HMRC guidance, there will soon(ish) be new legislation to set in stone what HMRC wanted (after of course a brief period of wholly irrelevant consultation).
Wonder if that means they'll tackle the inconsistent VAT treatment?

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By Conniving Badger
20th Feb 2024 00:14

It's actually the opposite, the government will legislate to keep things exactly as they are (i.e. allowing double cab pick ups with a payload of 1000kg or more to continue to be treated as vans for BiK and capital allowances purposes).

From the update:

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HMRC have today announced that its existing guidance will be withdrawn, meaning that DCPUs will continue to be treated as goods vehicles rather than cars, and businesses and individuals can continue to benefit from its historic tax treatment.

This move is resultant of the government making clear that it will be legislating to ensure that DCPU vehicles continue to be treated as goods vehicles for tax purposes.

The government will consult on the draft legislation to ensure that it achieves that outcome before introducing it in the next available Finance Bill.

Nigel Huddleston, Financial Secretary to the Treasury, said:

“We will change the law at the next available Finance Bill in order to avoid tax outcomes that could inadvertently harm farmers, van drivers and the UK’s economy.”
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By Dougscott
20th Feb 2024 13:09

[quote=FactChecker]

It's not a u-turn when you end up facing in the same direction as when you started

No, it's a death spiral.

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By Tax is always taxing
20th Feb 2024 08:12

It solves a headache for me, we have 132 of these on the road, but not sure about common sense. Whilst some of them are genuinely required, 2/3 of them never see a bit of dirt and are just commuting vehicles. Replacing them would have been a nightmare though.

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By AccountingBen
20th Feb 2024 08:42

Yep. So many of our clients have them.

They can't be doing our already-knackered roads any favours.

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By Tax is always taxing
20th Feb 2024 09:48

They probably weigh less than an electric car to be fair, and pay a lot more in road tax.

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By Dougscott
20th Feb 2024 13:15

Tax is always taxing wrote:

They probably weigh less than an electric car to be fair, and pay a lot more in road tax.

No it's not fair. You are probably jesting but just to put the record straight so the Telegraph and Sun don't report your comments as fact - typically twin-cab pick ups weigh about 2000kg (dry) which is more than a typical EV (Kia Niro EV about 1750 kg) and most are diesel and kick out a lot more pollution than EVs.

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By Tax is always taxing
21st Feb 2024 11:00

Pollution aside, as we were talking about the state of the roads not the air, Then yes, a Kia Niro EV weighs a bit less. A tesla model 3, ID3etc weigh about the same. The Merc EQV weighs 2960kg. The ID4, Audi etron, Mustang, Polestar, XC40, Ix3, Ipace etc all weigh a lot more than 2000kg.
Depends how you are defining a typical EV.

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By rmillaree
21st Feb 2024 11:22

the reality here is there any many more heavy vehicles on roads now than days of lore and that ahs been the case for some time - ev's deffo add to the burden but its mostly a burden that should have been planned for anyway. Normally with stuff like this there is decent safety margins factored in ref ability to cope. IMHO the issue here is probably more with stuff not being replaced once its useful lifespan has been reached . Or shoddy cheapskate planning - most peeps would probably happy pay a little extra to ensure roads never get in the position in the first place where more more is spent on botch it jobs covering cracks and paying compo than doing proper maintenance ! fix is before you need to pay compo claim not just after.

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By AccountingBen
20th Feb 2024 08:37

FrankTax wrote:

 

feels like commons sense prevails! 


Am I the only one who thought this was a great step towards removing unnecessarily large vehicles from our roads?
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By Ruddles
20th Feb 2024 09:03

AccountingBen wrote:

FrankTax wrote:

 

feels like commons sense prevails! 

Am I the only one who thought this was a great step towards removing unnecessarily large vehicles from our roads?


If that would have been the only consequence I'd have been inclined to agree with you. However ...
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By FrankTax
20th Feb 2024 09:25

That's a fair comment as there's a huge number of pickups used as "cars"

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By DJKL
20th Feb 2024 09:45

Quite a feat to get one of those doing a 360.

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By FactChecker
20th Feb 2024 15:48

Oh I don't know ... give me a few hundred acres and a whole week in which to make the attempt, I reckon I could do it blindfolded (which, as well as being one of the fun components of a team-building day 20 odd years ago at the Land Rover Experience near Solihull, is obviously how our current crop of politicians navigate their days)!

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By Viciuno
20th Feb 2024 12:08

Wonder which Tory position has just passed their job interview for their next "totally not related" consulting job.

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By DJKL
20th Feb 2024 15:57

Well, a fair few are going to need something to keep the wolf from the door after the next election( And by wolf I do not mean Kemi, frankly disappointed the media has not yet given her the nickname.)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Stewart,_Earl_of_Buchan )

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By Tax Dragon
21st Feb 2024 11:55

We have this thread ("U-Turn Double Cab Pickups") and there was this one subsequently https://www.accountingweb.co.uk/any-answers/double-cab-pick-up-u-turn ("Double-cab pick up U Turn").

I feel we're missing a "Double U-Turn Pickup Cab".

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