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Unverified subcontractor

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Here's something that's not happened to me before.  A client has tried to verify a (company) subcontractor.  The reply was "not recognised - deduct 30%".  There's no verification number, logically, because the company wasn't verified.  He pays the company and deducts 30%.

When I come to file his monthly return, Moneysoft blocks submission because there's no verification number.

Anyone come across this before ?

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By Kevin Kavanagh
16th Sep 2020 09:15

I think if you do the verification yourself via Moneysoft, whatever the result it will allow you to submit.

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By lionofludesch
16th Sep 2020 13:09

Kevkava wrote:

I think if you do the verification yourself via Moneysoft, whatever the result it will allow you to submit.

No, that's why I asked.

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By kestrepo
16th Sep 2020 09:44

If you are using the HMRC system to verify the subcontractor following an unverified result you will need to resubmit the verification again. The system will then generate a verification number for you to use.

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By Paul Crowley
16th Sep 2020 09:51

Using HMRC system the figures can be submitted with what you have.

An unrecognised company suggests subcontractor disorganised, either wrong UTR or has not registered for CIS system.

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By lionofludesch
16th Sep 2020 13:13

Well, weird as it sounds, if you verify the subcontractor through HMRC's system, you at least get a verification number which you can enter manually on Moneysoft.

Even weirder, when I did that for this rogue company, it came up as 20%!!

Going back to Moneysoft, still didn't work. So I don't know what's going on.....

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By bettybobbymeggie
16th Sep 2020 13:24

Stupid question, but when you create your subby in Moneysoft you can set them up as "verified separately" and enter the 30%/20% and the verification number separately. I'm sure I have fudged this in the past to get the software to do what I wanted.

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By lionofludesch
16th Sep 2020 14:10

bettybobbymeggie wrote:

Stupid question, but when you create your subby in Moneysoft you can set them up as "verified separately" and enter the 30%/20% and the verification number separately. I'm sure I have fudged this in the past to get the software to do what I wanted.

Effectively, that's what I've done. What I don't understand is why HMRC will verify what HMRC couldn't but, on the other hand, it's nice to have two strings to your bow.

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By jjswjjsw
16th Sep 2020 15:06

In Moneysoft it warns you that the record can't be matched and would therefore be 30% deduction, you then click the option to proceed and get a verification number. It sounds as if your client stopped at the warning.

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By lionofludesch
16th Sep 2020 15:18

I did this myself.

The options are

Help - leads to the online manual

Review - takes you back to the subcontractor's details

Verify - circular path, reverifying and leading back to the rejection screen

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