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US Election Night Special

Anyone else going to bed a tad later than normal?

Didn't find your answer?

Well, on Saturday my son finally managed to get married  , his fiancee flying in from the USA and quarantining for 14 days first, next step will be the paperwork to apply for a spousal green card or whatever it is called and then eventually he will be way for good to New York , though I suspect not until next year.

Accordingly  I now have an American Daughter in Law and a  vested interest in the  results. Anyone else laying in the beer and snacks to sit and watch pundits and politicians , mainly unknown to me, reading the runes and hopefully firing some insults at one another into the early hours of tomorrow?

Anyone making any predictions  for the Presidency , the Senate and the House of Reps, I am reckoning Democrats end up with all three but that certainly is not a given and may be mere wishful thinking.

Any views, hunches, inside information etc

 

 

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Out of my mind
By runningmate
03rd Nov 2020 12:51

Sorry, no beer & crisps here. I shall instead be tuning in over my cornflakes!

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By runningmate
04th Nov 2020 09:41

Glad now that I did not stipulate which day's cornflakes!

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By Duggimon
05th Nov 2020 08:50

Indeed!

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By Duggimon
06th Nov 2020 09:27

Three bowls of cornflakes down now.

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By lionofludesch
06th Nov 2020 09:42

No cornflakes.

But the porridge drawer must be empty by now.

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By LW64
03rd Nov 2020 13:15

John Oliver - Last Week tonight is worth watching for a Brit in America's round up of weekly politics (Sky catch up - but usually finds its way to Youtube).
If she is a Republican she may not like it much!

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Lone Wolf
By Lone_Wolf
03rd Nov 2020 13:35

I'm really hoping for President Kanye.

2020, you have given us so much already, I feel greedy for asking, but please make this happen.

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By Duggimon
03rd Nov 2020 14:03

I thought it was going to be weeks before they had a result because they can't start counting the postal ballots until tomorrow?

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By DJKL
03rd Nov 2020 14:40

I thought it was different states different rules, but I could well be wrong. Perhaps the secret is to take my holidays (virtually none taken this year) start drinking and continue drinking until there is a result.

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By I'msorryIhaven'taclue
03rd Nov 2020 14:11

DJKL Subsequent Wedding-Movie

Delivery of prodigious bribe to American regime for make benefit of once glorious nation of Scotland!

I Predict a Biden landslide, DJKL, followed by mass-riots. No more tough-guy McTrump!

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John Stokdyk, AccountingWEB head of insight
By John Stokdyk
03rd Nov 2020 14:24

It seems apt, but "runningmate" has the best handle on the likely outcome, which won't emerge until all those 100m postal votes have been counted.

I won't lose too much sleep over proceedings tonight, though it might be worth getting up early to see if Trump goes into full manic-dictator mode and declares himself Life President on the strength of early exit polls from Fox News.

Some election watchers have been playing out scenarios where electoral college slates (which ultimately vote for the winner) in Republican-held states are challenged all the way to the Supreme Court, which now has a 6-3 advantage for the Republicans thanks to three of Trump's recent nominees to the court.

If that's the alternative, a dull and boring night would be quite welcome - especially for DJKL's son and daughter-in-law, who might be able to return to a more stable country sooner if that's the result.

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By I'msorryIhaven'taclue
03rd Nov 2020 14:41

John Stokdyk wrote:

....especially for DJKL's son and daughter-in-law, who might be able to return to a more stable country sooner if that's the result.

More stable than Scotland?

Better watch out for Tallulah, JS :)

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By DJKL
03rd Nov 2020 14:51

They cannot really return as they have never lived in the US as a couple, his wife will be going back to New York as she has a job there but my son will need to wait here for up to a year for his spousal paperwork to be processed and his ability to go there to live and work granted, accordingly he will be back home here this weekend.

On the plus side in a few years time cheap US holidays beckon and for a change he can pay for our food bills.

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By DJKL
03rd Nov 2020 14:59

And Dixville Notch, New Hampshire has a clean sweep for Biden with 100% of votes going his way (all five)

https://news.yahoo.com/dixville-notch-hampshire-township-just-064242724....

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By DJKL
03rd Nov 2020 15:05

Duplicate

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By David Treitel
03rd Nov 2020 20:09

DJKL - as a tax specialist I hope you have explained to your new daughter in law that marrying a non-resident alien will mean she will be using the less beneficial "Married Filing Separate" filing status for 2020.

Being married will INCREASE her US tax bill for 2020 - and possibly 2021. Nothing she can do by voting that will change this. Her only option if she wants to save tax would be to have the marriage annulled.

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By Paul Crowley
03rd Nov 2020 22:10

A partner in the firm that I was articled within sent a 'jolly' letter to client calculating the cost of marriage.
Client did not see funny side
In the days of one return per married couple and Wife's earned income relief

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By DJKL
04th Nov 2020 09:53

I remember WEIR and the election that could be made, my final Accountancy Special exam at Aberdeen University (1985)had such a question in the tax section of the paper, which was great for me as the night before I had by chance done a couple of WEIR questions from past papers- I suspect that is what got me my merit certificate.

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By DJKL
03rd Nov 2020 22:29

I will leave that to her mother who is/was a consultant with Deloitte on the other side of the pond. My son will anyway be resident in the US as soon as US immigration let him move there.

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By DJKL
04th Nov 2020 10:04

Well- after a late night until 2.00 a.m., then had a snooze on the sofa, woke at 4.00 a.m. realising it was going to be some time, I then grabbed another 4 hours sleep.

Mr Trump, being sympathetic to my sleep loss, then suggested that perhaps they not bother counting the piles of mail in ballots sitting in the various counting centres which seems a rather strange way to conduct an election;- one has to ask the question whether if they had counted the mail in ballots first they would have decided, half way through the night, to not count the walk in ballots?

Anyway looks like lots of employment for many very well paid attorneys is the electoral outcome.

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By Wilson Philips
04th Nov 2020 10:42

Counting is only to be stopped in those states where a Republican lead might be overturned. Apparently it's perfectly OK to continue to count in states where the GOP is behind but might catch up.

Only in (Trump's) America ...

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By DJKL
04th Nov 2020 11:01

That explains it then, well here's some music to play out the end of the Republic, now they have decided on a Monarchy do they want to borrow Liz?

https://video.search.yahoo.com/search/video?fr=mcafee&p=living+in+americ...

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By Duggimon
05th Nov 2020 08:54

Saw a wonderful clip of pro-Trump protesters rallying chanting both "Stop the count" and "Count the vote" at the same polling centre. Not sure they're entirely certain how this whole thing works.

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By DJKL
04th Nov 2020 11:13
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RLI
By lionofludesch
04th Nov 2020 12:52

Why would you stay up all night ? Even if you were interested.

The West Coast is eight hours behind us so the polls didn't close until this morning.

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By DJKL
04th Nov 2020 13:10

Political junkies?

Whilst I do not bother with other foreign countries, having a vague understanding of how the US electoral system works (Both my wife and I studied American history at Uni and my wife's first degree is joint honours history and politics) adds a bit of interest with their elections- though she still remembers all the detail and I just have a near forty year old hazy recollection.

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By I'msorryIhaven'taclue
06th Nov 2020 09:15

Are you still watchin' this televised marathon DJKL, or have you dropped off to sleep yet?

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By DJKL
06th Nov 2020 11:45

I keep popping into CNN, it is slightly hypnotic, you know it is time to go to bed (2.00 am again) when the same commentary/slides/state analysis is shown and the number of votes has really not changed, I had 12.00, 1.00 and finally at 2.00 gave up, then a quick check when I woke and (hurrah) there is some movement in PA and GA.

I have never gone to see Beckett's "Waiting for Godot " but perhaps there are parallels.

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By I'msorryIhaven'taclue
06th Nov 2020 12:40

GA looks like it might go down to 8,800 military votes if there's only a neck in it. You could be stuck in front of the box a while yet!

And I particularly enjoyed reading that Allegheny, in PA, won't resume counting its remaining 36,000 votes until Saturday. Pure theatre (or should that be theater), and what masters of suspense!

I wondered how long it might be before somebody in this thread began philosophising. Oh well, at least you're not singing :)

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By LW64
04th Nov 2020 13:42

The West coast is a Democrat foregone conclusion. The states that affect the outcome close much earlier. This could well have been all over before California closed.
In the case of this particular election it has a direct and heavy impact on our governments next step in Brexit 'negotiations'.
Whilst we have intentionally upset the course of trade with our neighbours, they need to know how far down the queue we are with the next POTUS.

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By DJKL
04th Nov 2020 14:00

How about Nevada and Arizona this time???

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By LW64
04th Nov 2020 14:16

They were hard to call.
Nevada look like they are sticking with Democrats.
Mail in vote likely to be heavier on the democrat vote, subject to fraud - and not what he is complaining about. USPS seem to have managed to lose a lot!
Arizona, hmm, heavy gun lobby but you can only push the bounds of reasonable so far. He is looking finally too much for them.
Everything crossed!

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By lionofludesch
04th Nov 2020 14:14

DJKL wrote:

How about Nevada and Arizona this time???

Arizona has a nice flag.

Bizarrely, it used to appear in packs of sandcastle flags.

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By DJKL
06th Nov 2020 11:55

You was lucky, we would have dreamed of sandcastle flags, we had to make do with twigs.

When I was young my parents had a small main door holiday flat in Burntisland , Fife, so I spent entire summer holidays there with my three sisters and, given the limited entertainment options available (Outdoor pool, Cinema, putting, trampolines , swings, beach) combined with our mum wanting us out of the tiny one bedroom flat during the day, we built an awful lot of sandcastles.

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By LW64
06th Nov 2020 12:12

For a moment I thought that was going to turn into a 'you were lucky, I were 15 before I discovered rabbit droppings weren't maltesers' answer!

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By I'msorryIhaven'taclue
06th Nov 2020 12:43

Only five of you to a bedroom? You didn't know you were born...

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By DJKL
06th Nov 2020 14:28

My three sisters slept in the sitting room on folding beds, my parents in the bedroom (my Dad was usually only there over the weekends), I had a camp bed in the kitchen.

And do not get me started on the bathroom, just a toilet and a sink. For a few years we had either a tin bath that got dragged out or a rather strange shower which you built and someone then stood outside hand pumping in the water , at least until after a few years my father finally got around to stealing some of the kitchen to have a proper bathroom fitted.

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By Tax Dragon
06th Nov 2020 14:34

Rooms? We would've dreamt o' 'aving rooms.

(Credit I'msorry for the reference.)

Can anyone explain why details of votes get released in dribs and drabs? Why not just count them then announce the results (like what we do)?

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By DJKL
06th Nov 2020 14:54

No idea apart from maybe the sheer numbers involved. There have been suggestions we should offer to lend them the Sunderland Team (not the football one, though maybe they are better at vote counting than they are at football) who are masters of the quick count.

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By Tax Dragon
06th Nov 2020 15:19

"Just count them"... I didn't mean to imply counting them was trivial; I meant "[each state should] finish counting before announcing the totals". It might make for less of a spectacle, but you wouldn't get this "stop the count/get on with counting" farce. Some farce is fun; this farce is worrying.

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By DJKL
06th Nov 2020 16:27

One reason might be reducing the risk of "insider dealing", if the count builds up over a number of days with only those in the count knowing there is obviously the risk of their profiting from this knowledge, if the "markets" roughly know the state of play as they go along pricing consequences gets absorbed into the market/ pricing, be it say betting or shares.

Edit

All mere supposition with no real insight.

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