What do HMRC do with employment intermediary data?

What do HMRC do with employment intermediary data?

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Does anyone know what HMRC are doing with the employment intermediary reports that are submitted to them? Anecdotal evidence suggests to me that the answer might be "very little"...

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By FactChecker
01st Mar 2024 15:08

There's little evidence that your rhetorical question (and supplied answer) couldn't be applied across large swathes of the data collected by HMRC ... but to what set of data are you referring when you mention "employment intermediary data"? PAYE or ...

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By Tax Dragon
01st Mar 2024 16:35

Are you saying you have evidence that they're not doing what they're supposed to do with it?

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By cpavett
01st Mar 2024 17:04

Employment intermediary data has been collected for quite some time now, I remember when it was brought in there was quite a panic amongst the contractors at the consulting firm I worked in at the time who felt that HMRC would use this data to open a swathe of IR35 investigations.

We spend a significant amount of time complying with that, and I don't think that any queries were ever received, ever....

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By whatdoyoumeanwashe
01st Mar 2024 17:18

Evidence was a bad choice of word. More of a rumour. I'd be interested to know what they're supposed to be doing with it, and in fact, if anyone has any evidence that they've ever done anything with it??

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By FactChecker
01st Mar 2024 18:01

As TD hinted, those are two very different questions (particularly when chaotic beasts the size of HMRC are involved).

If you (or indeed I) don't "know what they're supposed to be doing with it", then it's hard to look for evidence of a failing;
and even harder to look for evidence "that they've ever done anything with it" (which covers a remit of almost infinite possibilities).

It wouldn't surprise me if they're collecting data that remains wholly unused.
One of my more pleasurable jobs, that didn't however improve my popularity rating, was sieving through various departmental mandatory 'returns' - and tracking back to see to whom the discrete data items were then supplied.
Frequently the answer transpired to be 'no-one, but we've always collected that' ... and it got much more painful if you looked for evidence of usage (even if only as anonymised data within trend analysis).
I've actually sat in all-day meetings where several Unions and multiple Ministries (with a few Quangos thrown in) traded which items I'd be allowed to remove from the return ... not based on need but solely because they liked horse-trading!

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By stepurhan
16th Mar 2024 20:58

The plural of anecdote is not data. Anecdotes alone are rarely considered to be evidence.

To a certain extent your "question" is moot, since supplying employment intermediary data is required by law. Whether anything is actually done with the data collected doesn't change that. However, I would be interested in knowing where your "anecdotal evidence" is from. If there is genuine evidence that none of this information is being put to practical use, it would give a basis for lobbying for this onerous legal requirement to be withdrawn. Do you have a source?

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By whatdoyoumeanwashe
16th Mar 2024 22:01

Thanks for taking an interest.

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