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What is the attraction with Mac's / Apple

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I've noticed from a number of posts that Mac's seem to be popular at least amongst AW members . Personally I have always felt that they were expensive and restricted one's choice of software . Granted now that a lot of applications are gone online and accessed through the browser the software issue is less of a problem. There also seems to be a bit of work involved in trying to fully integrate Mac's into Windows networks .

In the spirit , though, of being open-minded and amenable to persuasion, I'm curious to know what others find to be the attraction / reason for going Mac rather than Windows PC ?

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By lionofludesch
30th Apr 2020 18:25

Is it a VHS/Betamax thing ?

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By Duggimon
30th Apr 2020 19:07

To generalise, Macs look nicer, are less prone to viruses and are better marketed. PCs are cheaper, more customisable, have more hardware and software problems but are easier to fix.

I can't stand Macs, but I've been using PCs every day for over 25 years including through a computer science degree so I'm well aware I have a personal bias, they're a perfectly viable, if expensive, choice.

You can also use WINE to run Windows only software on Macs, or build a Hackintosh if you want to use PC hardware but run as a Mac, so there's plenty of options if you like the best of both worlds. Or indeed the worst of both worlds.

Or if you hate yourself you can use Linux.

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By Tim Vane
30th Apr 2020 19:50

After using an iPhone I could never go back to Android.
I am hesitant to use a Mac, because I suspect I would not want to go back to using Windoze. Certainly it seems to be a one-way thing.

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By leicsred
01st May 2020 08:05

Whereas I have tried all three (ios, android and Windows mobile) at the time windows mobile was the best, now I use both android and ios and to my mind they are much of a muchness.

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By adf2410
30th Apr 2020 22:12

They are beautiful machines, and last a very long time. I know people who are still using 15 year old macs - you couldn't usually say that of a windows pc. Every windows pc I've had has worked perfectly for a year or two and then slowed down horribly.

I quite happily work with a macbook pro, using parallels to run a windows virtual machine so that I can use VT. I have a bluetooth keyboard which has a numeric keypad. And all the apps link with my iphone.

I won't go back to a windows computer again.

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By Thomas654654
30th Apr 2020 22:23

Technology moves to fast for that to matter, but I guess if you store your client data on floppy disk then it makes sense.

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By adf2410
30th Apr 2020 22:41

Not clear about what you're responding to, but if all data is kept in the cloud, then there shouldn't be an issue with the age of the machine.

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By In a Daze
30th Apr 2020 22:49

double post

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By In a Daze
30th Apr 2020 22:50

triple post

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By In a Daze
30th Apr 2020 22:46

People buy macs for various reasons, you could even run your practice off a chromebook which could be sensible if you are 100% cloud based.

I know quite a few people who bought a mac for the faster start up times although this reason is pretty much redundant due to ssd hardrives.

I have a microsoft surface and it is a fantastic bit of kit. Never been tempted to go down the mac route myself.

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By tom123
01st May 2020 08:35

Derailing slightly, my home PC disk has failed, so am going to fit a new disk and install Ubuntu as the operating system, which is a version of linux.

More for variety really, as I have also spent almost 25 years stuck in front of Windows kit.

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By In a Daze
01st May 2020 12:34

linux is excellent and very much underated in my opinion.

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By In a Daze
01st May 2020 12:34

linux is excellent and very much underated in my opinion.

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By SteveHa
01st May 2020 13:10

If it's your first foray into Linux, you may find Linux Mint more approachable. It uses the same underlying "flavour" of GNU/Linux* under the hood, and can use Ubuntu PPAs etc, but is generally more familiar to Windows refugees.

/*Pedantry mode on. Linux only refers to the kernel. The full operating systems are GNU/Linux. At this stage, there are varied flavours (Debian based - of which Ubuntu is one, RedHat, Suse, Arch etc.) that are all administered in different ways.

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By SteveHa
01st May 2020 08:44

Neither. I prefer Linux.

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By tom123
01st May 2020 10:03

I will let you know how I get on!

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By In a Daze
01st May 2020 18:11

I have oftern thought of going down the linux route and may just take the plunge. I am just going to test WINE to see if will run VT as i use it for my sole traders.

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By SteveHa
01st May 2020 18:26

If you are only doing it for work, and if wine* fails you, the next option is to use Linux for day to day stuff, and run Windows in a virtual machine.

The likes of qemu and Virtualbox make it almost indistinguishable from a hardware installed Windows. In fact, in many cases, less problematic, because it reduces the virtual machine to a known system without diverse driver issues.

*WINE = Wine Is Not an Emulator. Not the red stuff we all enjoy.

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By FirstTab
01st May 2020 13:57

I am. 100% Apple now. Brilliant. Reliable, easy to work with and has style.

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By enanen
07th May 2020 11:01

work-pc unless you are in graphics or media/music, macs for leisure and esp if you are in graphics or media/music

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By peter morgan
07th May 2020 12:00

Was forced to go Apple Mac due to change of role into SaaS. Mac just so much better suited to utilising and hooking up apps that make business and wfh so much easier. You could argue the Mac is better suited to a cloud future than a windows laptop. Getting MS suite on a Mac is a bit clunky and Excel outguns Google Sheets for sure (don't get me started on Numbers) but otherwise the Mac wins pretty much everywhere for me. Running a laptop for personal matters and a Mac for business, laptop is so slow I end up playing scrabble on my phone while I wait for it to boot up and load files. Macbook starts instantly off a thumb scan. Chalk and Cheese.

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By colinstewart
07th May 2020 12:51

Get on! are people still using windows!
Ok, so you buy a Mac because it lasts 10 years or more, and even when it is beyond updating to the latest version of OSX (and therefore you cannot comply with Cyber Essentials) you can sell it or give it to a good cause knowing it will continue to work reliably. OSX is intuitive, better by design and it is a very reliable platform - no 'ask your systems administrator'. We have been totally MAC for around 15 years - wouldn't give a Windows PC office space! as for networks - are you still doing that! Get on!

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By PERMON
07th May 2020 13:09

Some very interesting answers here . Regarding Mac's - does Apple apply the same "walled garden" approach as it does in iOS or is it easier to install a wider range of software on the Macs ? For example can something other than Safari be set as default browser ?

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By KH
07th May 2020 15:22

You bet ... Safari sucks, in my opinion, but Chrome is excellent. And very easy to set as default web browser. Have been using Macs since they started up —well, after first ditching my Atari, that is— and have had the odd foray with Windows machines (wife, but even she wouldn't go back to Windows now) but found them to be slow and unreliable. Also, I think the price difference between a good Windows pc and a good Mac is now negligible, so for me at any rate there is no chance of opting for Windows, even if I get low on finances.

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By FirstTab
07th May 2020 15:36

I moved from Chrome to Safari about 3 weeks ago. I like it.

The reason for the move is because I want to see what it is like going 100% Apple.

I have also moved from Todoist to Reminders. from Evernote to Apple Notes and from Gmail to Apple Mail.

The integration of Apple Apps makes working smoother and easier.

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By Glenn Martin
07th May 2020 16:14

I seem to have bad luck with PC laptops as they seemed to pack in after 2 years use. I used to buy mid range ones so not too cheap but guess I must be unlucky but they seem to just get clogged up become slow, battery life drops off and they blue screeen.

I got a Macbook 4 years ago now and it still performs like it did out of the box
Battery still gives 10 hours and works as fast as it did on day one, no glitches no issues and never needed iT to logon and fix anything. Would highly rate instead of PC laptop. Like Other will porbably get a desktop Mac one current ones drop off.

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By Glenn Martin
07th May 2020 16:14

I seem to have bad luck with PC laptops as they seemed to pack in after 2 years use. I used to buy mid range ones so not too cheap but guess I must be unlucky but they seem to just get clogged up become slow, battery life drops off and they blue screeen.

I got a Macbook 4 years ago now and it still performs like it did out of the box
Battery still gives 10 hours and works as fast as it did on day one, no glitches no issues and never needed iT to logon and fix anything. Would highly rate instead of PC laptop. Like Other will porbably get a desktop Mac one current ones drop off.

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By Glenn Martin
07th May 2020 16:14

I seem to have bad luck with PC laptops as they seemed to pack in after 2 years use. I used to buy mid range ones so not too cheap but guess I must be unlucky but they seem to just get clogged up become slow, battery life drops off and they blue screeen.

I got a Macbook 4 years ago now and it still performs like it did out of the box
Battery still gives 10 hours and works as fast as it did on day one, no glitches no issues and never needed iT to logon and fix anything. Would highly rate instead of PC laptop. Like Other will porbably get a desktop Mac one current ones drop off.

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By richard.snape
07th May 2020 17:00

I am writing this on my HP Windows desktop which I bought for £375, nine years ago. It is fast and reliable for everything I need to do. I am not a gamer but sometimes watch HD video on my 24" screen.

To be fair in that time I have upgraded the RAM from 2 to 8GB, replaced the hard drive with an SSD, added a plug-in display card (£30) and fitted a USB3 card. I think I also had to replace the power supply once.

So you might say its a bit like Trigger's broom, but none of these upgrades were expensive, (the SSD was about £60 a few years ago) and all were easy.

By contrast I have a MacBook Pro which cost £2,500 eight years ago which is also still going strong but not used very much, mostly for video editing. At one stage I managed to add USB3 ports to it with an express card, but after an OS upgrade I could never get it to work again. I also replaced the hard disk with an SSD but with current Macs you can't upgrade anything.

You get what you buy from Apple and when its no longer good enough you have to buy another one. That is what I don't like about any Apple product, it's our way or no way.

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