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Which software do you use/recommend?

Xero/Sage cloud

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What is everyone's opinion of Sage Cloud? Is this an upgrade of Sage One?

How does it compare to Xero? For the purposes of this question, I am basing it on clients <£500k as these are quite often the ones which outsource their book-keeping.

Also, I hear lots of people's opinion being that Sage desktop is more suited to the larger client.

IMO one issue with Xero is the lack of a clear audit trail compared to Sage. 

 

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By williams lester accountants
17th Oct 2020 12:31

QuickBooks
Xero

Nothing else needed after these, as they are so far ahead of ALL of the competition. If i did have to rate Sage, it would be a distant 9th currently.....

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By Truthsayer
18th Oct 2020 16:06

I consider both Sage and Xero to be the spawn of Satan. I recommend VT Transaction Plus for small businesses.

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By Donald MacKenzie
22nd Oct 2020 10:47

I concur. Online programs have the single advantage over VT of bank feed, but many disadvantages, including all the rubbish that is carried in by bank feeds.
My VT client files are much easier to scan through and understand than Xero or QB.
If VT created a multi user version with a form of bank feed they would be untouchable.

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By Cheshire
18th Oct 2020 16:17

Sage business is the old sage one.

Sage 'cloud' is a nothing add on to the sage 50 suite.

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By Barbara G
19th Oct 2020 08:05

Have you looked at Brightpay? We use Sage 50, but it is restrictive and costly. We don't use Brightpay yet because we've no time to migrate at the minute, though it looks good. Easily adaptable and up to date with the times.

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By bernard michael
19th Oct 2020 09:57

Sage is still Sage cloudy or not. Barge poles spring to mind

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By johnt27
19th Oct 2020 10:15

Sage Business Cloud Accounting is the rebrand of Sage One after it tanked following launch. It's still a poor alternative to Xero, QBO and FreeAgent so wouldn't recommend even though it has improved since the initial abysmal launch.

Sage 50 cloud is just Sage 50 with the slightly deceptive use of the word cloud to deceive the uninitiated into thinking it's something it isn't!

The one area Sage still have decent products is in the ERP world - Intacct (acquired recently and not yet ruined) and X3 are excellent products but only really aimed at large multi-national/complex businesses. For your typical SME Sage products shouldn't really be on your radar unless there are exceptional circumstances.

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By Luke
19th Oct 2020 21:37

I can’t stand Sage online (whatever it is currently called). I have one client who uses it and I hate it.

I vote for QBO followed by Xero. VT is good and simple if they don’t want an online system.

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By Glenn Martin
20th Oct 2020 10:13

Xero, for me is best and works best with 3rd party add ons like bank feeds, reporting apps etc, followed by QBO & Freeagent. Sage cloud stuff is a mile away from Xero.

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By Mr Hobbit
20th Oct 2020 15:46

Xero or QB Online. Both integrate with our payroll software (Brightpay).

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By New To Accountancy
20th Oct 2020 20:01

I'm going to be the odd one out as I'm a Sage user and integrate AutoEntry. It's all I've ever known so perhaps that's why I choose to stay. I'm happy with Sage and I like the format, it feels intuitive to me. I work alongside another accountant who I pass work to that is out of my comfort zone, and he uses xero, so do his clients.
He can't understand why I like Sage either.
I met another accountant recently and she asked my what software I use and I said 'what do you use first?!' so yes, I'm definitely aware of the reputation.

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By John Stokdyk
21st Oct 2020 17:43

Hi folks,

It's fascinating to see how much emotion a discussion of accounting software can generate - though as we all know, emotions can sometimes cloud rational thinking and decision making.

To speak up on Sage's behalf, for example, Sage 50cloud may indeed be a desktop product that links to an online file store - but a LOT of small businesses still use the program and are married to it for the foreseeable because they've added on customised bits and pieces that their companies depend on. Having the Sage Drive as a means to share data with their accountant (who can make any necessary adjustments and spit them back up) is a lot more convenient than trying to email data files (which is a bad idea if you pay any attention to GDPR).

Also Sage Business Cloud Accounting is not the same as Sage One. If you haven't checked out any cloud application in the past year, for example, you'll be really surprised at how much they have all expanded and matured - including Sage.

And as New To Accountancy says, if you've learned your way around a particular app, it can take a lot of time and frustration to get to grips with a new way of working. At the end of the day a bookkeeping engine is a bookkeeping engine and the point is to capture the transactions as early as you can and pump them through to the appropriate destinations, whether P&Ls and management accounts, KPI dashbaords, trial balances or VAT returns.

Maybe it's best not to get too emotionally involved in those choices, because the balance of pros and cons is always changing. As I've said all through the years, it can be futile looking for the "best" software product. Instead you want to find the one that best fits your requirements and budget.

That's the end of the lecture. But if you'd like to help settle these arguments with a bit more definitive information, you can join the thousands of other accountants who have rated their applications in our annual software survey. We're now compiling the results for our software reviews pages, but there's still time to cast your votes before the survey closes on Monday. It only takes a few minutes to rate each application: https://www.accountingexcellence.co.uk/software-survey/

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By johnt27
22nd Oct 2020 09:12

Some interesting points here John and like others on here I deal with clients who use a whole range of bookkeeping products. If we're talking engines though Sage 50 cloud is like the old leaded petrol car - less efficient and more damaging to the business environment that it's peers. And yes it may have it's "cloud" conversion just like my Dad's old Renault from 30 years ago that used to run on leaded petrol until some bloke tinkered under the bonnet for a couple of hours but it's effectively obsolete.

The bespoke integrations essential for businesses to run on Sage are now generally available to all businesses that need them for a fraction of the cost, with many more features essential for doing business in the modern age and with ongoing support in the relevant marketplaces of the leading cloud platforms.

Will lots of businesses continue to use Sage - yes, of course, and familiarity plays a huge part in that but in my experience users quickly adopt to new systems and new ways of working and are excited by the opportunities they missed out on from using software that held them back when they didn't even realise it!

Will Sage get back into the big leagues - again probably (Intuit managed to do so), but for now they're playing in the lower leagues in many other accountants eyes and their sales funnel for attracting new users narrows by the day - they're latest market announcement indicated as such.

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By Beach Accountancy
22nd Oct 2020 12:14

Re Sage One / Sage Business Cloud Accounting. I have been using it for over two years. The "new" p&l report that shows the sales and expenses by month has been in the Beta phase for all that time. I think Sage would kill off the product if they could as it is so far behind Xero and QBO.

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By North East Accountant
22nd Oct 2020 10:32

As well as a decent audit trail Sage Business Cloud Accounting (SBCA) can also produce a decent customer statement of account showing all invoices, receipts and the balance, either positive or negative.

The way Xero creates an invoice for a customer payment on account and showing a Nil balance due on a customer statement is crazy, and as an accountant it drives me mad.

That being said SBCA doesn't integrate with anything compared to Xero, doesn't have a fixed asset register and is still playing catch up.

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By Beach Accountancy
22nd Oct 2020 12:16

There are two options in Xero for a payment on account, Prepayment & Overpayment. One creates an invoice, the other doesn't. Are you using the right one?

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By North East Accountant
22nd Oct 2020 12:55

My understanding (and I'd be delighted to be wrong on this) is;

Prepayments creates an invoice and Overpayment doesn't.

Two problems with using overpayment is that it shows on the statement as that to client, and no VAT is declared..... when it should be.

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By North East Accountant
22nd Oct 2020 12:56

My understanding (and I'd be delighted to be wrong on this) is;

Prepayments creates an invoice and Overpayment doesn't.

Two problems with using overpayment is that it shows on the statement as that to client, and no VAT is declared..... when it should be.

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By Paul Morgan
22nd Oct 2020 11:53

Hi,

Thank you all for your comments and opinions.

Sage Accounting and Sage 50cloud Accounts are very much two different products. Find out how the new and improved Sage Accounting can help your business succeed http://1sa.ge/6kLb50BZvmt

We’ve added many new features to Sage Accounting recently. These improvements are based on customer feedback and your suggestions. Find out what’s new in the software here http://1sa.ge/K6TW50BZuYQ.

You can take up our 3 months free trial of Sage Accounting to see for yourself how we can help improve your business. Find out more on our website at http://1sa.ge/K0I350BZuYP. You can cancel this at any time.

We’d love to hear how you get on with this. Please feel free to leave your reviews and share your experiences in this thread.

Regards,

Paul
Sage UKI

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By Cheshire
22nd Oct 2020 12:38

Paul Morgan wrote:

Hi,

Thank you all for your comments and opinions.

Sage Accounting and Sage 50cloud Accounts are very much two different products. Find out how the new and improved Sage Accounting can help your business succeed http://1sa.ge/6kLb50BZvmt

We’ve added many new features to Sage Accounting recently. These improvements are based on customer feedback and your suggestions. Find out what’s new in the software here http://1sa.ge/K6TW50BZuYQ.

You can take up our 3 months free trial of Sage Accounting to see for yourself how we can help improve your business. Find out more on our website at http://1sa.ge/K0I350BZuYP. You can cancel this at any time.

We’d love to hear how you get on with this. Please feel free to leave your reviews and share your experiences in this thread.

Regards,

Paul
Sage UKI

So 'Sage Accounting' was Sage one? Was Sage business? Name changes, confusing.

I tried Sage one (client had it) when it was first rolled out. Good thing at the time was that when you had a gripe about a process sage were happily changing things on a regular basis, so it improved as you went, although why they didnt learn soem of the better aspects of the old Sage 50 model I have no idea (bulk invoicing for one).

But your quote ''see for yourself how we can help improve your business''. Come on Paul, make an efort. You are talking to Accountants, not a small business, at least style your messages properly. Not only that, but the moniker about an accounting package being able to improve anyone's business is a bit over egging things.

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By Paul Morgan
22nd Oct 2020 11:55

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