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Who would you vote for?

Clinton, Trump or neither of them?

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With the US election tomorrow, I thought we should run our own poll. So folks, if you had a vote (assuming you don't), who would get it? Clinton, Trump or neither of them?  

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By mrme89
07th Nov 2016 11:12

I saw Clinton a while ago. She claimed that should she be elected, she would fight for air superiority in Syria.
If I was an American, I wouldn't want to be dragged into a war with Russia.

As a Briton, I don't want to be dragged into a war with Russia because of America.
Though Obama has told us on a number of occasions that there is no special relationship, so we shouldn't be dragged into anything with the Yanks.

The thought of either of them in power is quite terrifying.

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By DJKL
07th Nov 2016 12:00

Well, open your wallets if Trump gets in.

The Americans are a little fed up picking up the bulk of the NATO budget, so given the announcement of no automatic assistance with the roaming bears get ready to pay a whole lot more on defence spending and a whole lot less on something else.

At least we set up the order with the 12 frigates as frankly we ought to be rearming very very fast (1930s deja vu- have we got any aircraft for that carrier yet?)

I will feel slightly safer with Hillary and we then need to use the next four years well, ensuring our military is robust enough to stand on its own two feet without the USA ,as imho it is now only a matter of time before a populist candidate does become US President-this really ought to be a wake up call to the west.

The Baltic states can see what is happening, Sweden sees what is happening, the rest of Europe seems a little too preoccupied with Brexit navel gazing to really do something more serious about more important naval gazing.

The first role of government is the defence of its people, I sometimes believe our politicians have lost sight of this very basic element of what they ought to be doing.

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By lionofludesch
07th Nov 2016 11:16

Clinton, if only because it's a vote against Trump.

Is it just me getting old or is the quality of candidates on both sides of the Atlantic plummeting?

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By DJKL
07th Nov 2016 11:19

I am going for the hung option with McMullin picking up Utah.

Given neither of the others has the magic 270 in my scenario then I believe Congress gets to choose (Not sure if it is the Senate, The House or both)

Given they cannot agree on either of the other two McMullin becomes President by default; the compromise candidate.

Per my son they were offering odds of 500-1 last week on McMullin, as I have £80 sitting on a Marathonbet account , being my gains on Hibs winning the Scottish Cup, then maybe a bet on another outsider......

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By Alex_T
07th Nov 2016 12:44

DJKL wrote:

I am going for the hung option with McMullin picking up Utah.

Given neither of the others has the magic 270 in my scenario then I believe Congress gets to choose (Not sure if it is the Senate, The House or both)

Given they cannot agree on either of the other two McMullin becomes President by default; the compromise candidate.

Per my son they were offering odds of 500-1 last week on McMullin, as I have £80 sitting on a Marathonbet account , being my gains on Hibs winning the Scottish Cup, then maybe a bet on another outsider......

Now this would be a result @DJKL. Worth a bet!

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By Duhamel
07th Nov 2016 11:21

Clinton, every day of the week. She is tainted, yet the prospect of Trump is terrifying.

I think Trump dragged down the quality of debate. Clinton has struggled to rise above it. She should be running away with this election and the fact that it's so close is damning in itself.

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By DJKL
07th Nov 2016 11:44

She is not popular and we have the new age where party politics leaves the establishment and rests with the people; social media has changed western democracy.

The populist movement is not new, the USA had similar in the late 19th century, and we are not immune- both Brexit and Corbyn are manifestations of the New Democracy.

What I always find surprising is that we all(myself included) have some belief that our systems of government are perpetual, but the lessons from history ought to tell us that they are obviously not ,and it appears that circa 100 years after the Russian revolution another series of changes may be approaching the western democracies.

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By Ruddles
07th Nov 2016 11:44

Trump - because we're long overdue a bit of excitement in the form of a Presidential assassination

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By DJKL
07th Nov 2016 11:46

Ruddles wrote:

Trump - because we're long overdue a bit of excitement in the form of a Presidential assassination

Trump will surely not shoot Putin!

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By Alex_T
07th Nov 2016 12:04

DJKL wrote:

Ruddles wrote:

Trump - because we're long overdue a bit of excitement in the form of a Presidential assassination

Trump will surely not shoot Putin!

LOL @DJKL.

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By lionofludesch
07th Nov 2016 12:56

DJKL wrote:

Ruddles wrote:

Trump - because we're long overdue a bit of excitement in the form of a Presidential assassination

Trump will surely not shoot Putin!

Steady - maybe we should look in the mirror here. we do have UK politicians who have shot people.

Allegedly.

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By DJKL
07th Nov 2016 13:06

lionofludesch wrote:

DJKL wrote:

Ruddles wrote:

Trump - because we're long overdue a bit of excitement in the form of a Presidential assassination

Trump will surely not shoot Putin!

Steady - maybe we should look in the mirror here. we do have UK politicians who have shot people.

Allegedly.

There was the Willie Whitelaw story, but was that not re climbing a gate/fence with an unbroken gun, a quite unforgiveable sin ?

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By lionofludesch
07th Nov 2016 13:49

DJKL wrote:

There was the Willie Whitelaw story, but was that not re climbing a gate/fence with an unbroken gun, a quite unforgiveable sin ?

I wasn't thinking of him - though being careless with loaded guns is unforgiveable.

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By Alex_T
07th Nov 2016 11:54

@by mrme89, I couldn't agree with you more. It's absolutely terrifying. No more war, please! However, that question won't go away, what to do about Russia?

@lionofludesch, it's hard to believe these are the best candidates the US can come up with. It just goes to show, money talks! I would struggle to vote for Clinton despite the fact that Trump terrifies me, although I appreciate your logic.

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By carlh
07th Nov 2016 11:57

the lesser of 2 evils = clinton

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By Glenn Martin
07th Nov 2016 12:03

My best pal works in the US about 10 months of the year.

He is engineer and works in a lot of factories in the industrial areas. Trump has a massive following with the blue collar workers who whoop and shout at the mere mention of his name or appearence on TV.

He was recently out for some food after work and saw a lot of commotion across the street and asked the barman what was going on. It was a trump support rally in the Irish bar. Keen to see what it was about he went over.

There was free beer, chicken wings and a Trump T shirt for all those that attended.

Considering the intelligence of your standard american citizen the prospect of free beer and wings is probably all it would take to swing the vote.

From what I have seen a lot of middle Americans don't want to vote for either candidate. Trump fans are radical followers and will definatly go out and vote for him.

I think he may well sneak it if there is a low turnout.

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By DJKL
07th Nov 2016 12:48

On the plus point I believe the early voting has been fairly strong amongst registered Democrats, in some places I think possibly 40% have already voted.

Now, have they voted for Clinton-that is the question, but there are a few signs like Nevada that the Hispanic vote is going to be high which bodes well for Clinton, but only if the rest of her vote turns out.

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By Mr Hobbit
07th Nov 2016 12:10

My goodness, a world with Putin and Trump in power, utterly shocking!

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By Alex_T
07th Nov 2016 12:22

@byGlennzy, I have a good friend who is a highly educated American living here in the UK, he will not be voting in this election and I'm sure there are plenty more like him out there. He simply can't bring himself to vote for either candidate. This is his first time not to vote. Very sad!
If there is a low turnout, as predicted, I hate to say it but that could be good news for Trump. It's going to be very interested.

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By ScribbleD
07th Nov 2016 13:07

The US media coverage of the election leaves a lot to be desired. It is almost impossible to find a non-partisan opinion. No matter who gets elected tomorrow, the US will remain deeply divided.

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By Ruddles
07th Nov 2016 14:09

How ironic

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By Triggle
07th Nov 2016 13:59

Clinton, because I like the Pythonesque thought of Bill being First Lady.

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By Alex_T
07th Nov 2016 14:03

Triggle wrote:

Clinton, because I like the Pythonesque thought of Bill being First Lady.

Well, that is a take on this election I never considered. That made me laugh out load @byTriggle.

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By itp3asso
07th Nov 2016 14:02

TRUMP for
President !!!

No brainer decision !!

Hildebeast would shut hersekf in a darkened room having fainting fits betweeb lesbian trysts and would let Slick Willy ruke for another eight years!!

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By Counting numbers
07th Nov 2016 14:34

Why would anyone vote for Trump? He's so obnoxious. I think the only thing people hear is that he's going to stop immigration and increase jobs. They don't care about anything else. Whatever the outcome the losing side will not be happy. Hilary is the best out of a bad bunch.

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By Glenn Martin
07th Nov 2016 16:44

Sounds familiar with our Brexit vote and Farage. He managed to convince half the UK that was way to go.

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By mrme89
07th Nov 2016 16:48

Glennzy wrote:

Sounds familiar with our Brexit vote and Farage. He managed to convince half the UK that was way to go.

And someone as stupid as David Cameron managed to convince the other (not quite) half to remain.

I voted to leave, it was based on hours and hours of reading, and not a couple of debates (if you could call them that) on television.

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By ireallyshouldknowthisbut
07th Nov 2016 16:17

People vote for Trump for the same reason they vote Farage in this country.

Its a personality cult for the hard of thinking the blames everyone else (but you) for your current situation and how if it only wasn't for ABC the undefined and loosely sketched nirvana will arise. Moreover anyone attacking the thinly constructed narrative is a hater, part of the "establishment", or just plain wrong. Any facts that shoot down the argument are ignored, or rubbished to the point of the absurdity. And other 'facts' made up on the hoof, and repeated often enough among the supporters that is becomes 'true' in the sense that people in the bubble believe and those that dont care too much get it washed over them and absorbed as part of 'common knowledge', even if false.

The trouble is, if they actually get for what they wish for, the house of cards comes crumbling down as specifics have to be made specific, the blatant lies become apparent even to the most dim of voters, albeit there is then an attempt to re-write history and start a new narrative about the previous promise not being quite how its being presented now (see large bus and £350million on it) . Anyhow eventually the half baked thinking falls apart , especially when you find out that rather a virtuous "us" to be carried into the sunset you are actually a "them" to be shot at dawn, along with pretty much anyone who is not 3 people removed from the head of the cult.

This type of politics only have power when calling for it. Actual power will be a messy screw up of gigantic proportions, and the elected person in the middle of it will just act as a despot, grab as much cash as possible and bow out indignantly, screaming about stitch ups to their supporters and how it would have worked if only everyone wasn't against them.

See also Brexit. Farage is currently positioning to blame parliament when the EU exit negotiations don't deliver the virtually impossible deal promised.

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By mrme89
07th Nov 2016 16:40

ireallyshouldknowthisbut wrote:

People vote for Trump for the same reason they vote Farage in this country.

Its a personality cult for the hard of thinking the blames everyone else (but you) for your current situation and how if it only wasn't for ABC the undefined and loosely sketched nirvana will arise. Moreover anyone attacking the thinly constructed narrative is a hater, part of the "establishment", or just plain wrong. Any facts that shoot down the argument are ignored, or rubbished to the point of the absurdity. And other 'facts' made up on the hoof, and repeated often enough among the supporters that is becomes 'true' in the sense that people in the bubble believe and those that dont care too much get it washed over them and absorbed as part of 'common knowledge', even if false.

The trouble is, if they actually get for what they wish for, the house of cards comes crumbling down as specifics have to be made specific, the blatant lies become apparent even to the most dim of voters, albeit there is then an attempt to re-write history and start a new narrative about the previous promise not being quite how its being presented now (see large bus and £350million on it) . Anyhow eventually the half baked thinking falls apart , especially when you find out that rather a virtuous "us" to be carried into the sunset you are actually a "them" to be shot at dawn, along with pretty much anyone who is not 3 people removed from the head of the cult.

This type of politics only have power when calling for it. Actual power will be a messy screw up of gigantic proportions, and the elected person in the middle of it will just act as a despot, grab as much cash as possible and bow out indignantly, screaming about stitch ups to their supporters and how it would have worked if only everyone wasn't against them.

See also Brexit. Farage is currently positioning to blame parliament when the EU exit negotiations don't deliver the virtually impossible deal promised.

Don't forget to breathe!

The subject of Brexit is clearly still sore to you.

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By Ruddles
07th Nov 2016 20:07

More irony

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By In a Daze
07th Nov 2016 17:49

God help America if these are the two best candidates. If i had to vote i suppose Hilary is the best of the gruesome pair.

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By runningmate
07th Nov 2016 20:39

Trump is going to fix the problem - any & every problem. And he is going to make America great again.
Sadly he has absolutely zero idea in practical terms of how he is going to do any of that. But it doesn't matter (unless he wins).
Good grief!
Let's hope anyone but Trump wins.
RM

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By lionofludesch
08th Nov 2016 07:29

Sounds like the Leave campaign.

So surprised they won that they had no plan.

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By Paul Scholes
07th Nov 2016 23:39

Hate to spoil the question but there are > just these two candidates.

As in the UK my vote would be for the Green Party - Jill Stein

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By DJKL
08th Nov 2016 09:55

I feel a bit guilty as have omitted to highlight one of the rare positive attributes of Trump, his hatred for Wee Eck.(after they fell out, before they were bff)

In December 2015 Trump's attempt to prevent a windfarm being built within sight of his golf course was dismissed by five justices at the Supreme Court in the case of Trump International Golf Club Scotland Ltd v The Scottish Ministers.Commenting on the decision, former Scottish First Minister Alex Salmond branded Trump "three times a loser".

A spokesman for the Trump Organisation responded to Salmond's comment by saying: "Does anyone care what this man thinks? He’s a has-been and totally irrelevant. The fact that he doesn’t even know what’s going on in his own constituency says it all ... He should go back to doing what he does best: unveiling pompous portraits of himself that pander to his already over-inflated ego."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balmedie

I must admit that this level of OTT put down re Wee Eck does let me look at Trump in a more favourable light, albeit there has to be a large dose of the pot calling the kettle black in the final insult.

Notwithstanding I doubt I could go as far as proclaiming "The enemy of my enemy is my friend" in this particular instance, that would be going too far, frankly he is beyond the pale.

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