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Who's been naughty?

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Who wants to own up to using their client's GG account to claim SEISS on their behalf.

Hand on heart....not me.

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By Southwestbeancounter
14th May 2020 13:49

Nope, not me!

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By Wanderer
14th May 2020 13:55

Not a chance.

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By Matrix
14th May 2020 13:59

Did you just get the email from HMRC about this?

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By bettybobbymeggie
14th May 2020 14:24

Yep! Intrigued to know how the fraud checks work...are they collecting mac addresses for agent as we log on?!

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By Wilson Philips
14th May 2020 15:09

Something like that. If the same IP/MAC address is used to access a number of GGs it is likely, as should be the case, that this will trigger a fraud warning.

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By Duggimon
14th May 2020 16:42

I'm not sure it would need to be as sophisticated as that, you have to give them an email address and verify it, so I expect one email address used for 20 gateway accounts would be a big red flag that anyone could detect.

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By Duggimon
14th May 2020 14:01

Just the one but it's the client I'm married to so I'm not considering it a serious ethical breach.

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Hallerud at Easter
By DJKL
14th May 2020 15:09

The girl that I marry will have to let
Me use her login as I see fit
The girl I call my own
Will let me record all her income alone

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By Truthsayer
14th May 2020 16:56

That only rhymes in New Zealand.

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Hallerud at Easter
By DJKL
14th May 2020 17:05

I suspect I can get there with one of the Scottish dialects or maybe somewhere in NE England (though I struggle with some of their pronunciation, I have attended games at the Stadium of Light a fair few times and still can barely understand what they sing)

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By May bee
19th May 2020 10:46

Annie get your gun; often my first source of accountancy inspiration too!

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By the_drookit_dug
18th May 2020 20:15

I hope by "client" you're just being tongue in cheek - there are otherwise major objectivity issues with having clients with whom you have such a close personal relationship...

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By Truthsayer
14th May 2020 14:37

I wouldn't touch that with a barge pole. I simply told my clients to do it themselves.

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By lesley.barnes
14th May 2020 16:01

No not guilty - I've have had to be on the end of the phone for one or two who were frightened that they would log into a scam website by mistake or push the wrong key. The clients have been suprised at how easy it was to claim once they had the confidence to do it. I have had quite a few people emailing me to check their entitlement was correct because they had thought they would receive more. So far all correct. I've also had a number query why they are not entitled.

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By ourpetsheadsarefallingoff
14th May 2020 15:24

Was about to, but then got the email... I've got a client who's 83 and doesn't have a computer, have HMRC provided a telephone alternative yet? I've seen a couple of 0800 numbers posted on here but I haven't seen it mentioned on gov.uk, and I'd like to check that it's official before I ask clients to be put on hold for hours

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By BlackBriar
14th May 2020 15:48

ourpetsheadsarefallingoff wrote:

Was about to, but then got the email... I've got a client who's 83 and doesn't have a computer, have HMRC provided a telephone alternative yet? I've seen a couple of 0800 numbers posted on here but I haven't seen it mentioned on gov.uk, and I'd like to check that it's official before I ask clients to be put on hold for hours

Yep the 0800 024 1222 works. One of my clients called it this morning and they processed her claim over the phone.

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By ohorad44
14th May 2020 19:46

Do you how I sign up to receive the agent emails from HMRC

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By ohorad44
14th May 2020 22:11

Thanks a lot,

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By ohorad44
14th May 2020 22:35

Thanks a lot,

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By bernard michael
16th May 2020 09:51

Try ringing it yourself and see what the response it

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By Silver Birch Accts
14th May 2020 15:41

Try 0800 024 1222 (Monday - Saturday 8.00am - 4.00pm)

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By Arthur Putey
14th May 2020 16:30

Definitely not and neither has jon_dickinson!

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By Tax Dragon
14th May 2020 16:37

I'm Brian and so is my wife.

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By lincolnartist
15th May 2020 06:20

No, Jon was too busy out doing the weekly food shop for his clients.

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By jon dickinson
20th May 2020 15:46

That's actually quite funny:-)

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By Southwestbeancounter
14th May 2020 23:06

If you have been naughty or might be tempted, you’d better read this: https://twitter.com/ciotnews/status/1260944757796331522?s=21

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By petersaxton
15th May 2020 09:30

I haven't done it for SEISS but one of my clients is classed as blind and she usually visits me to do her working tax credit claims so this year she will phone me and give her details over the phone while I do it.

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By legerman
15th May 2020 11:04

petersaxton wrote:

I haven't done it for SEISS but one of my clients is classed as blind and she usually visits me to do her working tax credit claims so this year she will phone me and give her details over the phone while I do it.

I don't think you'll need to do it this year Peter. I was talking to a client the other day as he normally wants his tax return finalised in order to do the annual review. Apparently HMRC have sent the review form and on there it states that unless income has gone above a certain amount there's no need to inform them. Think you'll need to see the letter though as it may be different income for different folks.

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By the_fishmonger
15th May 2020 11:12

We're explaining that we've no idea about these SEISS claims because HMRC's mum told them not to play with our sort. I may however be required to supervise when dear papa comes over to the office next week (the bargain eBay full PVC hazmat outfit will be donned - just not sure what the rubber ball's for on the face mask!).

Harvesting IP addresses would be rather imprecise and unfair method of finding fraudulent activity in this regard because:

1) several clients arrive with their own devices, log in and show/do stuff on their PTA/BTAs through our broadband access.

2) many of us have non-static IP addresses. So you come up as being in Leicester one hour and Sedburgh the next (it's amazing to see where some websites think you are).

I'd be curious to know if they're collecting MAC addresses though. At a CPD course I've heard it alleged that one accounts software provider does exactly this to prevent pirated copies doubling (or more) of your licences.

It's all a getting more Big Brother...

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By Cloudcounter
16th May 2020 09:51

I'd guess that HMRC install cookies on every computer that logs in and could possibly use those to check?

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By garforth
18th May 2020 14:15

I have made applications for my partner and her aunt so do I wait and see what happens or instruct a solicitor. ????

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By Comptable
19th May 2020 10:48

Has anyone asked why HMRC will not allow a self employed person's tax agent to carry out the sort of work that tax agents are there to do?

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By Cheshire
19th May 2020 10:52

Is there any point?

You could ask 10 HMRC representatives and get 15 different answers.

Seriously though, I do believe ICAEW pushed back, but I probably couldnt find the article about it now!

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By Dowland
19th May 2020 11:22

From viewing various webinars etc I believe the reason Agents cannot complete on clients' behalf is because HMRC wanted to get the schme up and running as uickly as possible and adding Agent access would have slowed this development down too much.

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By Marlinman
19th May 2020 11:07

Not me but if you did you should stand in the corner and put your hands on your head. HMRC will then send someone round to give you a good spanking

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By anniem
19th May 2020 14:58

.... but they have up to 6 years to come and spank you!

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By [email protected]
19th May 2020 11:09

For one client I had to set up the Government Gateway, as the client was away from home. But after that she submitted the claim on her own computer.
For a non resident client living in Eastern Europe who couldn't pass the identity check, I rang HMRC and after 90 minutes on hold was put through to a fantastic lady who rang up my client to identify her, and the fantastic lady came back to me to finish the claim off.

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By anniem
19th May 2020 14:59

replied to wrong post x

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By kevinringer
19th May 2020 13:32

Not guilty. I have used client's GG accounts for other things but not SEISS.

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By pauljohnston
19th May 2020 18:58

So those agents who are self-employed - have none claimed the SEISS.

Interested to see how they managed to make a cliam.

I made a claim for a dyslexic gardener friend (not a client) not as easy as HMRC would lead you to belive.

Apart from setting up a Gateway account for which one needs a mobile phone and a email address. He has neither nor a computer.

The HMRC wanted to do some id checks so the guy had to bring his passport along and we had to answer questions on that.

He got his grant but I do wonder how many people in a simalr situation are going to lose out

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By should_be_working
20th May 2020 10:33

Nope.

I was initially miffed that agents couldn't do the claims but quickly decided it wasn't such a bad thing. Sure, I've had a few asking early on if they'll be eligible, and a couple getting the wrong results initially from the system, but by and large they've been happily doing it themselves. If I'm honest HMRC's 'no agents' stance has been useful in this case, given the workload created by furlough claims and clients getting their records in earlier because 'things are quiet right now' (for them!).

(Not that I've been impressed with the quality of HMRC's reasons/excuses for excluding agents this time or on other occasions.)

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By atleastisoundknowledgable...
26th May 2020 08:33

I’m surprised we’ve got away with literally just mentioning it’s existence in our Covid info e-shots.

TBF we only have a handful of s/e clients, but I was expecting more queries than 1 director of a trading co who also has a SPV for a commercial property she rents out. She was asking if the rental income (which is the company’s) gives her access to the SEISS!

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