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The change of format, and frequent bans for callous (but honest) replies drove some eminent contributors away (PNL amongst others, for example).

Now those lacking formal qualification have been targeted, and some will doubtless leave (I may be one of them).

Who's next. Are sift going to pitch ACA against ACCA, or ATT/CTA against ACA/ACCA. Surely CIMA are a prime target next. No real bedfellows.

AAT - who are we kidding. We don't need any barely trained accounts people on AWeb.

Bookkeepers are just taking up space.

And poor old Tom, working in industry. Easy pickings.

Who do you reckon is next to go?

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By Matrix
07th Jul 2020 20:00

Don’t go Steve, moving house and jobs and leaving AWeb all at once.

#allaccountantsmatter

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By AWeb72
07th Jul 2020 20:04

#allaccountantsmatter

Not to the owners of this site

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By SteveHa
07th Jul 2020 22:20

The new job is, don't forget, with an award winning firm, who have, I learned tonight, reached out to chase my references. That had better go well, since I have given written notice to everyone who matters, now.

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By spilly
07th Jul 2020 20:48

So if I decide not to renew my ACCA membership this year will I be made to feel unwelcome on this site? Despite nothing actually changing apart from not being able to use some letters after my name?
Makes me feel like random stupid question-bombing AW - anonymously of course.

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By SteveHa
07th Jul 2020 22:09

Don't forget to never reply, and then delete all your posts in any thread you start.

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By Constantly Confused
08th Jul 2020 07:33

spilly wrote:

So if I decide not to renew my ACCA membership this year will I be made to feel unwelcome on this site? Despite nothing actually changing apart from not being able to use some letters after my name?
Makes me feel like random stupid question-bombing AW - anonymously of course.

I handed mine back a few years ago and no change, though I never answer accountancy questions anyway :)

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By Mr_awol
07th Jul 2020 21:51

I recall in another thread seeing a list of names that have recently been pushed out (or perhaps that should be swept away). It’s too early to say whether that will be permanent but do we have a confirmed list of losses since, say, early March?

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By Matrix
07th Jul 2020 22:00

I only know that in the last month Cheshire, lincolnartist and Accountant A have left. Last year or so Ruddles and Andy P. PNL before that. Sorry if I have missed anyone. I don’t know who stopped by today.

I no longer reply to new members, I check out the history. Also if I am not thanked then I won’t reply to that user again.

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By SteveHa
07th Jul 2020 22:10

I thanked you to keep you interested. Damned Facebook culture.

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By Matrix
07th Jul 2020 22:15

By thanking me I didn’t mean pressing the Thanks button. I mean posting a reply and interacting. As you say above, many new posters fail to do that.

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By Tax Dragon
07th Jul 2020 22:28

SteveHa wrote:

Damned Facebook culture.

Oh the "ask a question, answer a question, like a question" banner? Yeah, cretinous.

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By Tax Dragon
07th Jul 2020 22:39

Matrix wrote:

I only know that in the last month Cheshire, lincolnartist and Accountant A have left. Last year or so Ruddles and Andy P.

Andy P appeared to take the 'ump at something I said. Wolfie was there. It was just playtime.

Cheshire's still here I hope, 'twas JoF that sadly left.

@Steve, think on Basil's studied silences on threads like this/John's and his unsurpassed contributions to some technical discussions and you'll see how my chickens and eggs roll.

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By SteveHa
07th Jul 2020 22:55

I don't think I've ever seen Basil get involved with anything other than technical issues, so it's no surprise he hasn't responded on these threads.

Unfortunately, the way things are going, he could be all that's left, which is not a bad thing for the freeloaders, since they will get a very analytical respondent, but is hardly going to remain interesting from him.

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By Lone_Wolf
08th Jul 2020 10:59

Tax Dragon wrote:

Andy P appeared to take the 'ump at something I said. Wolfie was there. It was just playtime.

I remember that thread. I actually assumed Andy P took some sort of a breakdown, most likely alcohol assisted, on that thread. Can't remember their being anything in particular that should have set him off, but off he went.

I noticed he came back on a month or so later and amended a lot of his answers on that thread to one word responses which only added to the strangeness.

He seems to have made a comment back in April so he's still kicking around.

Come back Andy!

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By Mr_awol
08th Jul 2020 00:05

Matrix wrote:

I only know that in the last month Cheshire, lincolnartist and Accountant A have left. Last year or so Ruddles and Andy P. PNL before that. Sorry if I have missed anyone. I don’t know who stopped by today.

I no longer reply to new members, I check out the history. Also if I am not thanked then I won’t reply to that user again.

I think/hope Cheshire May have decided to stay. I’m sure there are a few more recent ones - maybe not as long-standing as those but still good posters.

I can’t remember now who started what has now become the ‘moderation attitudes’ thread after the original OP asked to be expunged from the A-Web records (and presumably is unaware of the fact that admin changed the thread sub-heading to a snide dig about members not handling criticism)

I’m convinced we have suffered heavy losses since trigger got his #NewBroom Out. Maybe people are actually just taking a couple of weeks for it to settle. It actually seemed to be until the qual/non-qual debacle.

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By Tax Dragon
07th Jul 2020 21:56

PNL was escorted off the premises. More than once. Ruddles has been largely silenced. But yes, others have left of their own volition (apparently including PNL's most recent (or so I believe) incarnation).

If we can get past John's catastrophic faux pas, let's have some honest reflection though Steve. Is it that the owners have taken the site down market [well, OK, yes, they have - maybe they think there's a newer, younger, more click-happy audience to be found?... so perhaps I mean "Is it just that the owners...?"] Or have we, the [remaining] respondents, contributed to that change? Is any of the loss of quality, for example, down to trolling (including taking threads off topic, idle chitchat, me sharing cups of tea with DJKL etc)?

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By SteveHa
07th Jul 2020 22:12

So you are talking chicken and egg. Has the site and all it's disastrous (IMO) changes of both attitude and format, or have the regular contributors led us to what is fast becoming a stalemate.

Without those regular contributors (yourself included, despite your recent self-deprecation) then the forums here are worthless. Without the forums, well, we'll carry on earning.

I guess I just answered my own (in this post) question.

EDIT: I yearn for what AWeb used to be! sigh!!!

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By Constantly Confused
08th Jul 2020 07:41

SteveHa wrote:

EDIT: I yearn for what AWeb used to be! sigh!!!

When I first joined AW (under a different name) I responded to a couple of questions in a row over the course of a week where my opinion was either factually incorrect or against the grain. I was relatively new to tax and my keeness perhaps outshone my abilities.

The old AW crew not only laid into me for my incorrect opinions, several of them followed me post to post to criticise me even when I was posting non-technical things. Amusingly I was once cited as a reason why people should get qualifications before trying to work in finance... until I listed my qualifications which tend to surpass those of the average head of a firm (for the record, I am in fact a cautionary tale to not assume qualifications equal ability ;) ).

I was bullied off the old AW and was only able to return because I effectively killed my profile and came back fresh. And now I rarely give technical opinions.

So I do not yearn for the old AW one bit is what I suppose I'm saying.

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By DJKL
08th Jul 2020 00:39

Mea culpa.

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By Tax Dragon
08th Jul 2020 06:51

I was wondering aloud.

I'm just thinking back to schooldays (subconsciously when I said "playtime"; now consciously). You probably have a more grown up version, you've been around longer than me.

Where you have a large group of people, a small number of whom are highly vocal, then - at least in some of their minds - it becomes cliquey. The gobby ones may seem to think they own the place. The quiet ones may seem to feel excluded. (I've been on both sides of that divide, so I do know a bit about it.)

There was a recent (quiet) OP said of (gobby) Lion that "I almost didn't post because of you". I was staggered, not just in the immediate context of that comment, but because I found it hard to think of anything Lion had ever said that was in any way offensive. He's just a big pussycat after all. (Ha! How original.) But you don't have to be offensive to be threatening - you just need to be in the gang. Is that what we are?

When I first piped up in here, PNL and Ruddles were in fine fettle. Stepurhan was much more vocal. There were many more highly regarded contributors. It wasn't said, but my feeling from that first encounter was that I'd been told "eff off, we're having a grown up conversation". Hardly welcoming. Even if that feeling was only in my mind. Dragons of course have thick skins (ha! again) and I carried on. I like to think that since then I've overall made a positive contribution, but @Steve I don't think it is self-deprecation so much as public navel-gazing and reflection. Which I am carrying on with this comment, obviously.

It's something, btw, that Basil never needs to do. Should us gobby ones be more like him? Less is often more....

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By lionofludesch
08th Jul 2020 08:35

Tax Dragon wrote:

There was a recent (quiet) OP said of (gobby) Lion that "I almost didn't post because of you". I was staggered, not just in the immediate context of that comment, but because I found it hard to think of anything Lion had ever said that was in any way offensive.

Oh aye, I remember him. I suggested he might update his knowledge, didn't I? Good advice, I thought.

It's so easy to access update courses these days. A few hundred quid - less than one client's fee - will get you access to dozens of online seminars. If this is to be your career, why wouldn't you do it ?

The government don't help with their lack of oversight. They keep saying that it's easy to file and it is. What's not so easy is making sure that the numbers you file are correct. We've all seen absolute garbage publicly filed at Companies House. It's just not good enough.

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By stepurhan
08th Jul 2020 09:12

Tax Dragon wrote:
. Stepurhan was much more vocal.

It's nice to be remembered. :-)

It is easy to see the past with rose-tinted glasses. Old AccountingWeb could be a rough place and you did need to be able to take criticism without taking it personally. But you also ended up with some really good debate as a result. I had some wonderful back-and-forths with regulars on here, roundly disagreeing with each other.

You just don't seem to get that any more. The closest is where an OP is looking for a particular answer and gets shirty when they don't get it. I miss the arguments that were genuine differences of opinion on subjects affecting the field.

I'm not looking to depart entirely. This site can still be a useful resource sometimes. But if a rival that had more of the old feel popped up you wouldn't see me for dust.

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By Chris.Mann
08th Jul 2020 09:27

"I'm not looking to depart entirely. This site can still be a useful resource sometimes. But if a rival that had more of the old feel popped up you wouldn't see me for dust".

For me, Aweb reminds me of the friend, who you haven't seen for ages and has fallen on hard times. You want to put your arm around him, try to make him feel cherished and all the time, you know he'll do his own thing, anyhow. But, at least you tried to help.

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By Tax Dragon
08th Jul 2020 09:43

stepurhan wrote:

Old AccountingWeb could be a rough place and you did need to be able to take criticism without taking it personally. But you also ended up with some really good debate as a result.

Would you say that now we get the criticism without the debate? If so, is that down to Sift, or us?

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By stepurhan
09th Jul 2020 10:21

Tax Dragon wrote:

stepurhan wrote:

Old AccountingWeb could be a rough place and you did need to be able to take criticism without taking it personally. But you also ended up with some really good debate as a result.

Would you say that now we get the criticism without the debate? If so, is that down to Sift, or us?

Sift for watering down the purpose of the site so the once rare idiot question has become the norm.

Us for not posting enough interesting technical questions and letting our frustration at the above get the better of us.

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By ireallyshouldknowthisbut
08th Jul 2020 10:04

I tend to agree that I am not sure "old accounting" web was much friendly, albeit it was on the surface less impolite. Ie you might get a "with greatest respect" which is a polite way to say "you suck monkeys balls" as would be more common now.

I did enjoy a good technical argument between a couple of heavy weight contributors. Sadly there is not the depth of knowledge to have one these days.

As ever the past is a better place in your memory, but it was certainly much better populated with talent 'way back when', but has ALWAYS been full of freeloaders and incompetents and the accompanying snide remarks and put downs.

And there has generally been some sort of long running antagonisms between the board members and "the management" . I think the peak of that was when one Friday they said they would reveal everyones real name the following week, and i and many others spent a whole weekend deleting thousands of posts before a quick reversal the following week. There was also the launch of this new format which has always stunk and is considerably worse than the old one from a user POV, but is "advert friendly" or something by having huge sections you need to scroll down over.

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By Chris.Mann
07th Jul 2020 22:24

The last few days, it does seem as though there’s a sort of kicking through the embers of Aweb and closure on many characters who came and went. The spirit of Aweb, either pre May 2016, or post, seems in the distant past.
Perhaps it’s time to talk about ................
Or, perhaps it’s time, to stop talking?

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By SteveHa
07th Jul 2020 22:33

Or - perhaps it's time that those of us left who still care about what AWeb was wander off and do it ourselves.

I have the technical nouse, and, as it happens, a server doing not very much. I'm sure a discord setup could get us back to the old days.

EDIT: Wow - I just went in to open rebellion.

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By DJKL
08th Jul 2020 09:43

You are revolting. I might well be revolting myself.

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By Tax Dragon
08th Jul 2020 06:56

Chris.Mann wrote:

Or, perhaps it’s time, to stop talking?

Hm. My point, more succinctly made :-) (I wish I'd seen it before I started wittering on above!)

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By Paul Crowley
07th Jul 2020 23:31

I am amazed
Just looked at my answers listing. Numerous unexplained deletions. Is that normal?

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By Mr_awol
07th Jul 2020 23:58

I don’t often look through my own previous answers - sometime I will to see if I can track a thread I’ve been involved in.

I did notice in the last few weeks some things in there that aren’t actually still on the main site - so it doesn’t look like they’ve been deleted, but they have. I don’t know if that’s a long-standing thing, or just recent attempts by Kim-John-Un to maintain ‘control’ (and I use the term very loosely)

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By Paul Crowley
08th Jul 2020 00:11

Problem with deletions is the thread can then end up disjointed.

The deletions are mostly there without the edit tag.
A couple have disappeared even from my answer listing.

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By lionofludesch
08th Jul 2020 09:53

Paul Crowley wrote:

Problem with deletions is the thread can then end up disjointed.

The deletions are mostly there without the edit tag.
A couple have disappeared even from my answer listing.

What ? You mean your answers are deleted ? Or the OPs to which you replied have been deleted ?

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By Paul Crowley
08th Jul 2020 11:24

Deletions by the censors. Still on my list of answers, but without the edit tag.
Those no longer appear on OPs thread.
No PMs from censors

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By Mr_awol
08th Jul 2020 12:08

Paul Crowley wrote:

Deletions by the censors. Still on my list of answers, but without the edit tag.
Those no longer appear on OPs thread.

In all fairness then, looking through the last couple of weeks I appear to have only lost one complete post - and that was one which contained text that was 'PEGI 12' as my son might have once said, but went over admin's head and was treated as something it wasn't.

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By tom123
08th Jul 2020 08:29

And I am a CIMA member too - best get my coat.

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By mrme89
08th Jul 2020 09:14

Peasant.

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By Mr_awol
08th Jul 2020 09:32

tom123 wrote:

And I am a CIMA member too - best get my coat.

CIMA? That's a double whammy.

Pretend Chartered (like ACCA) and pretend accountancy (industry) all rolled into one!

On the plus side, you've had many years to practice this part time furlough malarkey...………..

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By DJKL
08th Jul 2020 09:50

I will extend the scorn, professional qualifications are for mere tradesmen,unless you graduated from Oxford, Cambridge,St Andrews, Glasgow, Aberdeen or Edinburgh you have mere noveau affectations of quality.

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By Red Leader
08th Jul 2020 10:35

DJKL wrote:

I will extend the scorn, professional qualifications are for mere tradesmen,unless you graduated from Oxford, Cambridge,St Andrews, Glasgow, Aberdeen or Edinburgh you have mere noveau affectations of quality.

Reminds me of a practitioner I knew who received a bottle of wine from a client at Christmas. I was fairly new and I thought it should be the accountant giving a gift to the client, as would happen in other businesses. The accountant said the client regarded him in the same category as his tailor. Trade!
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By DJKL
08th Jul 2020 11:10

There is maybe a truth to that, my father's law firm in years of old acted for a couple of Scottish Nobles etc re their estates, at Christmas time edibles turned up at his office and were distributed amongst the staff/partners- presents for one's retainers.

Even latterly (1970s) when the larger estates were no longer clients he would still receive boxes of apples, jars of honey, sides of salmon and one hill farm once sent him a jointed lamb for the freezer. We as kids often got board games/jigsaws at Christmas from these people we did not know,but obviously my father chatted about his family when meeting his clients and some of them must have sort of adopted us.

It may also have been that a good tranche of my father's clients were rural as he specialised a bit in such work ( He originally apprenticed with a similar Edinburgh firm that had a niche with landed estates) and whilst he always worked in Edinburgh I was born in Peebles and his own part time practice, before he was made a partner with the Edinburgh firm, was created in a farming community.

I suspect there may be less largess with town based clients.

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By Open all hours
08th Jul 2020 16:20

I am happy to attest that venison is still available from some Yorkshire estates.

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By Open all hours
08th Jul 2020 16:25

Along with an occasional brace.

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By DJKL
09th Jul 2020 10:28

After the 12th?

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By lionofludesch
09th Jul 2020 10:33

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After the 12th?

Mrs Lion tells me that the Twelfth is on the Thirteenth this year.

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By Paul Crowley
08th Jul 2020 11:28

I would add The London School of Economics.
No particular reason of couse, but how could we exclude Jim Hacker (Yes Minister)

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By DJKL
08th Jul 2020 11:43

Okay, but only in deference to WT Baxter, a couple of whose publications are in the bookcase four feet from me as I type.

Sitting there are "Accounting Values and Inflation" plus "Accounting in an inflationary Environment", they nestle alongside Professor Weetman's "International Financial Reporting, A Comparative Approach" and as I think Professor Weetman may also have attended the LSE, and as she taught me accountancy at Aberdeen all these years ago, that possibly tips the balance in favour of the LSE.

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By Red Leader
08th Jul 2020 13:19

I feel duty bound to endorse the addition of the London School of Economics & Political Science, to give it its full name.

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By DJKL
08th Jul 2020 13:26

I am, though, starting to feel guilty about the omission of Durham.

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