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I am just going through my client list on HMRC online to check HMRC have all the tax returns that I have filed and no one who was taken out of SA has somehow been put back in.

On the home screen it says

"You have nothing to pay.

You have a total of £xxx becoming due for payment. Your next payment is due on 31 Jan 2019. For details of the amount and the date of payment please select the figure of tax becoming due."

So you have to go into the year to see how £xxx is split between Jan and July. 

Why can't they just put at the top the amount which is due in a week's time?  My brain is fried and I initially thought my clients had paid their tax.

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By Tax Dragon
24th Jan 2019 07:14

Sames.

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By RedFive
24th Jan 2019 08:51

Thought I was the only one who did that. 210 checked yesterday, all filed and received.

The SA ‘account’ has bugged me for a while. I’m allegedly semi intelligent and fairly good with numbers yet I always have to put my thinking glasses on to work it out. Goodness knows what the DIYers make of it.

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By Maslins
24th Jan 2019 08:59

Agreed. You can see their logic though. Nothing is due right now (it's not due for ~7 days). There are balances they know are due in the future (whether that be in 7 days, or 6 months).

...but yeah, it is daft, surely they realise most people want to know how much they need to pay imminently.

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By Matrix
24th Jan 2019 09:06

So they could just have the second part, it is misleading to put you have Nothing to pay.

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By lionofludesch
24th Jan 2019 09:40

Maslins wrote:

Agreed. You can see their logic though. Nothing is due right now (it's not due for ~7 days). There are balances they know are due in the future (whether that be in 7 days, or 6 months).

...but yeah, it is daft, surely they realise most people want to know how much they need to pay imminently.

"Becoming Due Within 30 Days" would be far more useful than "Nothing's Actually Due Today But There May Be Something Tomorrow" or "Your Entire Future Lifetime's Liability to Tax Is ..."

Bottom line is ... are HMRC actually trying to provide useful information or do they merely seek to confuse ?

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By Matrix
24th Jan 2019 11:43

Yes that would be helpful since, to get to the figure due on 31 January, you have to add up two amounts: the balancing payment for 5 April 2018 and the first payment on account for 5 April 2019 which are on different lines with the 31 July payment in the middle.

So there is no way of readily seeing what is due imminently.

Luckily none of my clients have online accounts to confuse them.

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By atleastisoundknowledgable...
24th Jan 2019 09:14

“Why does it say you have nothing to pay”

Because it’s HMRC?

Agree with Maslin though.

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Caroline
By accountantccole
24th Jan 2019 12:14

If they gave us :
* Due now
* Due 31/1
* Due 31/7
That would cover all bases?
It drives me mad that they hide the July payment in the same figure as the Jan ones. I suspect it is a ploy to get clients accidentally paying early (assuming their screens look the same) to help government cash flow!

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By andy.partridge
24th Jan 2019 12:44

Cut-price programming.

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