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23rd Mar 2013
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I am on the train to Edinburgh and after nearly three years on my bookshelf I have started to read Clients4Life by Mark Lloydbottom and David W Cottle.

There are many books that remain unread on my bookshelf. I wonder how many books are on the best sellers list but not actually been read in large numbers? Have you read your copy of Brief History of Time? I haven't. It looks impressive on the bookshelf though for the rare occasions my dates come over for a "coffee".

Two chapters in Mark's book and I already think I should have read this book far earlier. It is written by accountants who have been there and successfully done it.

I am more an audio book listener. I do go through on average one audio book a week. In our busy lives audio books really is the way to go. Whilst listening to an audio book I can be doing other things. I do not have take time out to listen. Authors/publishers please try and get your books in audio. I am sure cost would be an issue?

At the time I bought Clients4Life it was not available on Kindle. So that's another thing I have to carry the thick book with me.

It is a good book so I will take time out and read it. This time i will actually finish a book I started reading.

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By petersaxton
23rd Mar 2013 09:58

Reading

"It looks impressive on the bookshelf though for the rare occasions my dates come over for a "coffee"."

Try to impress them in other ways!

I don't think you can do a "book" justice by "listening" to it. It sounds you are always doing something else. If you are cycling you would be better off concentrating on that.

I don't do enough reading at all but I prefer to do it properly when I do. If I felt reading was really important to me I would sit down and concentrate on it.

 

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By A mum and an accountant
23rd Mar 2013 12:03

So many books..
I've got so many books on my bookshelf that I want to read. When I was working London and travelling by tube everywhere I used to get through almost a book a week. Now they're just piling up collecting dust. I've tried listening to audio books but I'm so consumed doing other things that I don't actually end up listening to it and I have to keep rewinding it. One day I'll get through the pile of books!

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By Flash Gordon
23rd Mar 2013 12:13

Audio v paper

Audiobooks are great if you're doing something that doesn't require concentration so you can focus on what you're hearing and just do the work or whatever on autopilot, but proper books are the most enjoyable. I'm not a Kindle fan, it's just not the same. I'm sure it has convenience value but I get much more pleasure from seeing a stack of books than I ever could seeing a list on Kindle.

Like Lilac I've got tons of books waiting to be read. Some I've not read before, others are old favourites that I want to revisit. I keep promising myself time off to just take to the sofa and read but it never happens for more than an hour or two.

And it may look good on the bookshelf but what happens if someone asks your opinion of it?!

Maybe I'll try Clients4Life this arvo - it's been sitting on my bookshelf too...

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By petersaxton
23rd Mar 2013 12:28

My advice

"And it may look good on the bookshelf but what happens if someone asks your opinion of it?!"

Just say: Give us a kiss!

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By carnmores
23rd Mar 2013 13:20

welcome back
I have a kidle fire and enjoying using it. Books on it are fine. I thouht I wouldn't like but its fine I might dowbnload 4life but I think I'm past it now. One other thing this website is great in the mobile version

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By petersaxton
23rd Mar 2013 13:28

"I think I'm past it now"???

Why don't you read: "Clients4SomebodyElse'sLife" then?

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By carnmores
23rd Mar 2013 13:49

I'm entering my 60th year in 2 weeks but behaving like a 30 year
Old shocking! So do I want clients for life NOW I want rid of them. Its not to old to get a life. Short but sweet is my quacks answer

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By petersaxton
23rd Mar 2013 13:54

I beat you!

I reached 60 last year.

It's going to be a bit of a shock for you when you are 90 and acting like a 60 year old and you suddenly drop dead.

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By Flash Gordon
23rd Mar 2013 14:44

Mentally I'm about 15

(well 15 as it was back in the good old days)

and luckily, grey hairs aside, I don't (apparently) look my age so life's quite generous in Flashville. I'd happily get rid of my clients (I'm not convinced accountancy is the life for me) but unless one of those lucky dips I bought earlier comes up trumps.....

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By Flash Gordon
23rd Mar 2013 15:38

3 chapters in

Well I've read 3 chapters and I'm not that impressed. It's prompted me about a few little thoughts that I've had before and need to think about properly but it's basically saying so far that you need to have lots more meetings with clients and they'll happily pay because you're adding value. Well that's great but.... if you're a sole practitioner with no or few staff then who's going to do all the work while you're chatting in meetings? And with all due respect to the authors a lot of clients in this climate don't want to pay more regardless of how much fab advice you're giving. They'll just expect the advice for free.

Admittedly this book is aimed at accountants with larger and higher worth clients (lets me out then) but I'd have expected the ideas to be applicable to all. Fingers crossed it improves in the rest of the book. If it turns out to be a load of 'value pricing' waffle I'm wasting some of my time.

Still, if I get a hot date round who scans my bookshelves I can discuss the book rather than having to hope that Peter's 'give us a kiss' works!

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By petersaxton
23rd Mar 2013 16:04

My experience

When I was at Ernst & Young I was told that the partners had targets of how often they had to make contact with clients. The managers seemed to spend a lot of time chatting with clients at the end of the audits. Only a small part of the contact was spent on work. The managers still did all their reviewing after chatting with the clients during the day, taking the audit staff out for a meal and drinks and then in the early hours of the morning taking the working papers home or to their hotel room. Next day they were up at 8 am and seemed to have a thorough understanding of the files. I don't think they would be doing that every day but when it happened it was impressive.

Books may give you a few ideas but life is about your own personality as well as your ability and effectiveness and hard work and I wouldn't want to try to be something I'm not just to chase some extra money.

 

 

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By MarionMorrison
23rd Mar 2013 16:44

A Brief History

Strangely I did actually manage to read A Brief History of Time, but only because I was stuck on a train spending 3 hours stuck near Loughborough.  So for a period of about 3.5 hours I was all over String Theory.  But by the time we'd reached our destination it was all gone again.  Not really worth the effort I'm sad to say.

Audiobooks I find dangerous.  They immerse me utterly because I have to focus on the book and nothing else.  When I'm reading a physical book my find flits from one thing to the next and I realise I've gone through an entire paragraph and can't remember a single thing in it.  But with an audiobook I'm there and utterly hooked into it and can't do anything until I've found out what happened.  Great for aeroplane trips too.  I spent 6 hours on Nairobi airport followed by an overnight flight to Heathrow and barely ever left the world of Vienna 1913 and the First World War of 1914-15 as portrayed by William Boyd's Waiting For Sunrise.   

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By Flash Gordon
23rd Mar 2013 17:27

Lost in a good book

I can be thoroughly lost in a physical book or an audiobook but the physical one more so. The world could end around me and I'd be oblivious. You don't get that with a film!

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By Old Greying Accountant
23rd Mar 2013 19:44

@Flash ...

... you sound like me - an accidental accountant :o)

The wife has a kindle but I don't get on with it - I did the the free amazon reader on my PC and download free books now and then but its too much hassle.

Audio books are OK, kept my son quiet on long journeys anyway although my old car only had a cd player and we only had Sophie's Snail on CD (all the rest were cassettes) so it got a bit tedious after a while.

I prefer a proper book, you can smell it, feel it, flip back and forwards easily and imagine the characters your own way for fiction. For non fiction I am not good at diseminating information aurally, I learn quicker and better from reading than hearing so wouldn't want that sort of book in audio form.

 

 

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By Flash Gordon
23rd Mar 2013 20:44

About halfway through now

It's improved slightly but still very much aimed at multi-partner, multi-staffed practices. And it's pretty much common sense though as I'm scribbling down the odd comment I either lack that or figure a wake-up call is handy at times. It's not a book I'll read again - if I don't take note of ideas now then it's a safe bet I won't ever - so I'll have to hope that if I ever lose my sanity and invite someone back chez Flash to look at the contents of my bookshelves they'll be satisfied with the rest of the weighty tomes! (Failing that I'm going with 'do you want to come upstairs and look at my Enid Blyton collection?' - personally I think that's a winner but I've yet to try it out on account of my dog refusing to give up her half (and some) of my bed!)

@OGA - I think these days 'reluctant accountant' might be more appropriate. I'm with you on needing printed versions for non-fiction, no chance of it going in otherwise. The same with driving instructions - I need a map not a satnav talking to me.

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By Old Greying Accountant
23rd Mar 2013 22:12

I know what you mean ...

... I always look on the map to get an idea of where I'm going but turn the sound off on the sat-nav and look at the visuals. In the good old days me and my mate used to go to all the Chelsea away games, a quick look at the AA book of the road, memorise te key points and wing it. It worked Ok except the memorable time we missed the M6 and ended up in Sheffield not Wigan!

I have to say accountancy chose me and not vice versa, and now it is all I know, plenty I would rather be doing, but it is not easy to jump ships when you have family/financial commitments. If I  had stayed single my mortgage would be gone now and I could please myself more - as they say in France - "C'est la vie, C'est la guerre, Mais ce n'est pas la pomme de terre!"

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By Red Leader
25th Mar 2013 13:49

a book in the hand ...

Several years ago I stopped buying books (I've since re-started). Anyway, I stopped and instead started reading all the books on my bookshelf that I hadn't got round to reading. 

Some of the books I looked at and decided that I would never read them, so they went to the charity shop. It took me about two years to get through all the unread/readable books.

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By carnmores
26th Mar 2013 13:42

so OGA

it was you causing a rumus in the Shed?

Chopper , Blind , Osgood , Bonetti , Houseman Hudson and you!

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By Old Greying Accountant
26th Mar 2013 16:14

Alas ...

... I cannot claim the credit for that - I am not that old and greying - I started going in 1983, Dixon, Speedie and Nevin et al were my icons. Mr Lampard would have fitted that team very well.

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By petersaxton
26th Mar 2013 16:26

20 years after

Old Greying Accountant wrote:

... I cannot claim the credit for that - I am not that old and greying - I started going in 1983, Dixon, Speedie and Nevin et al were my icons. Mr Lampard would have fitted that team very well.

I started going to Boothferry Park.

Although it was before your time, you must recall Ron Harris blatantly handling the ball on the line from Ken Houghton's header in the FA Cup Sixth Round match at Stamford Bridge. Jack Taylor waved play on!

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By carnmores
26th Mar 2013 16:22

well i was there

on the odd occassion , you must remember the cup final when they were almost murdered by Leeds but somehow got a repaly and won that

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By petersaxton
26th Mar 2013 16:37

At

carnmores wrote:

on the odd occassion , you must remember the cup final when they were almost murdered by Leeds but somehow got a repaly and won that

Old Trafford?

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By Old Greying Accountant
26th Mar 2013 19:40

When we beat Leeds...

... for the FA Cup at Old Trafford it was 2 days before my sixth birthday!

The old is how I feel sometimes, the greying is worsening!

David Webb was my hero for that win and did a fantastic job when he came back as manager.

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By carnmores
27th Mar 2013 16:35

so your not really OGA

more an SME GA

 

ediie gray tortued blind eddie at left back but eddie had the last laugh

mind you that Revie team were phenomenal

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