Boris Johnson. Will he make same error as May

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Couldn't resist something about BoJo, but not simply for the sake of it.

We all know that he is a buffoon of sorts , or at least has cultivated such an image, and that he bumbkes his through things but what we need right now is leadership NOT attention to detail , save perhaps for Brexit.

Boris ran London very successfully on all fronts to the best of my knowledge from here , up North . BUT and it is a BIg "but" does it mean he can run the country.Theresa May ran the Home Office or whatever it's called these days, and given that her tenure was somewhat longer than average we can assume she was a steady and safe paid of hands. BUT she was totally incapable of running the country as it takes a different skills set, the main one being a warm personality and she was as cold as a recently landed trout. Somehow nobody saw this.

Boris has the personality and the required vision but does he have people's trust, both in the electorate and in his party ? I honestly don't know, so it's just as well I am not a card carrying member of the Tory party.

PS - Jsut for the record. I beleive the F" business furore is a non-starter given his history in London . I interpret it to mean that he can't have CBI or whoever bleating on and on to run the agenda and is was typical Boris , bit like Trump actually. But let's not go there....

 

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By plummy1
19th Jun 2019 11:43

I think the problem for Boris is he doesn't have a credible plan for Brexit. He is promising Unicorns again. I'm note sure our European friends will fall for his bumbling happy go lucky persona. As for Theresa May I don't think we will ever know if she would have made a good PM. She was judged on one issue and was the only one standing up to be counted. Once Boris wins he will have to sort out Brexit and I for one thing it will do for him like it did TM. Time will tell.

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By Norman Younger
19th Jun 2019 13:29

BJ flies by the seat of his pants and he has the backbone to stand up to the EU and credibly threaten a no-deal Brexit which Europe is scared of

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By Peter Cane
19th Jun 2019 16:36

For me Boris is the only one of the contenders who can still make Brexit happen. He's also probably the only one who could stop Corbyn's Labour winning at the next general election. For all his bumbling persona, he is quite an astute politician and I for one wouldn't mind seeing him given a chance as PM

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By Norman Younger
19th Jun 2019 19:15

That is a valid observation about Corbyn and I suspect all the retired colonels with a party vote will have worked it out

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By johnhemming
19th Jun 2019 18:20

The rEU and the UK both wish to avoid "no deal". The key question in terms of negotiation is where the balance lies. Does no deal do more harm to the uk as a proportion of GDP or more harm to the EU.

The second question is when and/or if no deal becomes a deal and given the answer to the above question whether it is likely to have moved towards the UK position or that of the rEU.

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By CMPACDGDB
23rd Jun 2019 16:07

BJ is a great fan Of Winston Churchill, and WSC was a great fan of Europe. Does BJ have the guts to say to the nation "This may not be a good idea" and go back to the people for a PEOPLE'S VOTE? Assuming he becomes PM (girlfriend permitting LOL), he will then want to craft his place in history, and any sort of BREXIT will be a catastrophe for certainly one, probably two and possibly 3 generations: not the legacy he wants! I do agree he is the only one of the 2 contenders capable of beating Stalin Corbyn in a general election though... Never has the Chinese curse been more true: "May you live in interesting times!"

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By Norman Younger
24th Jun 2019 09:41

WC succeeded as the man with the charisma and personality at the time of crisis when these qualities were needed.He also , crucially, stood up to the outmoded and outdated establishment thinking. And Brexit is anti-establishment. So a good parallel

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By DJKL
24th Jun 2019 21:42

He also had a tendency to stick to his viewpoint and beliefs- not sure the same can be said for Boris in his quest to be a "Great Man", he frankly strikes me more as a chameleon.

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By Red Leader
25th Jun 2019 12:17

Except he (Winston) was a Conservative MP, then a Liberal MP, then a Conservative again!

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By DJKL
25th Jun 2019 16:50

Labels- not convinced he really changed that many of his views but instead merely changed the branding of his views.

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By Red Leader
26th Jun 2019 10:49

My reading of his history doesn't accord with your view. However, I guess it's pretty irrelevant to the main thread so I'll leave it there.

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By Norman Younger
25th Jun 2019 09:33

Chameleon is an interesting description but at what point does flexible morph into chameleon? And does it matter if the general position , in this case centre of right, remains the same?
I think I would vote for BJ were I enfranchised as he has what we need right now -a certain je ne sais quoi , because all the serious politicians have achieved nothing.
There is one area where has remained steadfast and that is his private life , for better or for worse. This whole domestic row affair seems tome to be a stitch-up by a neighbour. Do you record your neighbours' rows? The police have done nothing and given that domestic violence is a priority these days, does that not tell us something?

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By Red Leader
25th Jun 2019 12:23

I don't think most voters care about his private life, or any other politicians. Most just care about what a politician can do for them, whether it be Brexit, schools, NHS, etc.
The issue of his private life is a distraction from the biggest problem with him which is competence. I accept there's not a high bar here!
I like your comment "because all the serious politicians have achieved nothing" - therefore elect the clown?!
It's a case of "well he can't be any worse that what's gone before".
The problem with Boris is that you can't really tell what he believes or what he's going to do. His boss of 10 years Max Hastings said he wouldn't rely on Boris to tell him the day of the week.
In any case, I doubt whether the person exists who can satisfactorily solve the current political mess.

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By DJKL
25th Jun 2019 17:14

Methinks Boris may have been saying slightly different things across his broad Conservative support, what they individually wanted to hear, but the utterances are possibly not that compatible. This may be why he is actually, in interview, really saying nothing very specific, a lot of arhms and hrmns.

His lack of concrete approach re Brexit is somewhat alarming (not that Hunt's appears any more realistic), the withholding 39bn nuggets may sound good to his support but in the world of international relationships it is the equivalent of vomiting over the carpet- not a lot of other invitations anywhere in the world once done.

I strongly suspect that Boris will once and for all demonstrate that with Brexit it is not the singer (Theresea or Boris) that is the problem but more the song that is the issue with our Eurovision exit.

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By Norman Younger
25th Jun 2019 14:03

The term Gordian Knot comes to mind.
What nobody has explained to me on any forum is why a hard border on Ireland is required.
The government knows what filling is in your lunchtime butty and we have barcodes , RFID and self regulation everywhere so what is the problem knowing what goods are on the move?
Some claim the technology does not yet exist...really?

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By DJKL
25th Jun 2019 17:34

Vet checks on livestock, testing labs re meat /dairy products. You then need to consider alignment of standards re the products, regulating and checking same,competitive practices in the markets etc. etc.

It is not an issue just checking what moves, the items moving in some cases need physically checked, or are you agreeing that the UK commits to fully conforming to EU food safety standards for eternity and the EU gets to check that conformity/regulate it forever?

If you can be bothered have a read on the blogs on eureferendum.com , Richard North is no remain supporter but is someone who actually understands reality re these sorts of issues rather than soundbites from those who have no experience of the issues re food testing and just talk a good talk.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_A._E._North

http://eureferendum.com/

Now you may say, none of that matters to me, but that is irrelevant, it matters to the EU and they are not going to kick a hole below their own waterline just to accommodate the UK. We don't like it, tough, that is their red lines

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By DJKL
25th Jun 2019 17:44

Sir Ivan Rodgers might be worth a read, here is a transcript of his most recent speech describing where we are and the art of the possible.

http://www.eureferendum.com/documents/ivan%20speech%20final.pdf

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By Norman Younger
25th Jun 2019 19:57

To trade with EU we need to comply with their standards anyway so it is simple -want to trade on continent comply. Can't be bothered just trade in UK. Simples?

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