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Arguably yes. Here's an example of how finding problems at firms can be financially incentivized:
https://www.rollonfriday.com/news-content/ex-dechert-partner-committed-d...
The problem here is the incentives work the other way, as the regulator does not want to ruffle too many feathers for its Big 4 paymasters.
Thanks for flagging that Justin - what an utterly mind-melting case. Does a middle way between the current light touch boys' club approach and incentivising rotters like your man in the Dechert case exist?? Surely it's not within the wit of humanity to find one...
Obviously yes, although my main point above was that disincentives to investigating the Big 4 should first be removed. See more on the other story here:
https://edition.pagesuite-professional.co.uk/html5/reader/production/def...
Hadn't realised that this case had finally concluded (having been keeping a long-distance eye on it via the pages of P Eye for many years) ... so thanks.
Particularly liked ... ""Trust among partners is integral to any partnership, and throughout this litigation, Dechert has always acted in good faith in reliance on the assurances given to us by our former partner", said the firm, gently lowering Gerrard into the path of the speeding bus."
Perfectly describes what they all do (whilst wearing gloves to avoid fingerprints)!
But it's the SFO (aka Serious Farce Office) that looks to have sustained yet more damage, again.
"Can it really be right that a cosy club-style arrangement between the FRC, ICAEW and other professional institutes can result in a bunch of accounting regulators imposing fines that then go back to boost the coffers of those professional institutes"
There's a lot of this 'cosy club' stuff going on.
I'm aware of someone whose mate wanted a grant from a charity but the charity didn't give grants to individuals so he resurrected an LLP that had been dormant for around 8 years that he and the mate were members of, applied for and got the grant and the LLP promptly paid around 97% of that grant straight to the mate.
Probably within the letter of the rules but certainly not in the spirit of them and morally dubious. Especially when that person is constantly moaning about companies who avoid taxes by staying within the letter of the law but are outside his self-defined spirit of the law.
You had me until you suggested that IP received the funds! They already get a disproportionate share of any assets a liquidating company has - and fee at what are quite frankly ludicrous charge-out rates.
Isn't it misleading to call it self-regulation? The FRC is not the ICAEW, and the ICAEW's own regulatory board runs disciplinary hearings through majority-independent panels. Cosy, perhaps - self-regulation? - no, I don't think so.
It's awkward when your regulator (or whatever higher power) makes rules that give you a conflict. It's at least short-sighted and at worst is highly corrupt. Undoubtedly ICAEW should have handled the fine money with more transparency and arguably should have pushed back far more strongly - but there are clear challenges in pushing back at your regulator!
This issue deserved to get blown up but its amongst many failings that reflect badly on the profession. I think the entire system needs reform. It's not generally supporting us to do the right things.
Why does the Institute benefit for its members mistakes ? Don't improve Audits when sloppy work will fill the coffers of itself
What about other people who lost out eg shareholders, employees, pension funds and creditors.
Why indeed improve work when self interest appears to be so important
The fines were to low in any case.
The money should go to the investors who got screwed by the dodgy audit.
Be careful what you wish for.
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Auditing regulation is politically sensitive. As soon as HM Govt or Quangos get involved you will have ideologues attempting to score political points, rather than dealing with matters in hand in a "Professional matter"
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Fees
The professional organisations ought, reasonably, to recover any costs they have incurred in investigating a matter. It should be for an independent tribunal, as with assessing legal fees, to approve those costs and if needed apportion them between the organisation and the defendant.
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Any Penalties over and above costs should go to a separate designated fund (See Charities) for distribution as proposed and decided by members at an AGM
This will bring transparency into the matter, and promote interest in any AGM
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In these matters it is not Firms, LLPs, or Companies at fault. It always Natural Persons who have been found wanting, so it they who should be penalised.
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Most important, employees without fault, who lose employment as a result of a superior's misdemeanor should, in regulation and or law, be compensated.
This mitigates a major moral issue at any tribunal; If I find Scrooge guilty does it inevitably mean that Tiny Tim will starve?
The regulatory body’s failure to properly regulate their members, especially at audit level, should be penalised not rewarded. They should be paying a percentage of the fine imposed on the member; and the fine should be paid out as compensation to those who suffered as a result of those failings.
Nearly £34m surplus suggests ICAEW have lost sight of their purpose as they obviously have the capacity to do far more regulating …… but why bother if they get the cookie jar when it goes wrong.
No wonder the systems broken. Just implement joint culpability. That should shake things up.
The current position clearly is not working, the trouble is what do you change it with. But change has to come, its laughable at the moment, I doubt many place reliance on a Audit report.