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Shirley, exactly like you
I'm absolutely horrified when I hear about these types of crimes.
Whatever punishment is passed on to these "people" and, I use the word very loosely, nothing will alter the damage which will have been inflicted on these women. Days like this I hate to admit I'm a man.
I'm also sorry to say but, in my opinion, these topics will only become more widespread, not less.
Frankly, it wouldn't matter where this person had worked or, at what level - he's now back in the gutter, where he belongs and I hope he stays there for a long time.
The only people worth hating are the traffikers and the people using these women's bodies (who are effectively raping them since the women cannot give informed consent).
Grey area
The only people worth hating are the traffikers and the people using these women's bodies (who are effectively raping them since the women cannot give informed consent).
Bear in mind that not all individuals using these services will have any idea that the women / girls are trafficked and therefore I'd be hesitant to suggest that they're all effectively committing rape and certainly that they all deserve hate. Yes, no doubt there are enough who seek them out knowing that they can do what they want to them without reprisal, and therefore I'd consider them thoroughly despicable. But if you think that the woman is providing the service willingly (albeit they might be desperate for money) and there is no reason to suspect otherwise, what are you supposed to do? Most prostitutes are doing the job out of choice; the number of trafficked victims is actually proportionally small (not that it makes it any less of a crime). Personally I believe that prostitution (both the supply and the purchase) should be legalised; it might end up safer for those involved, better access to health services, help getting out of it if they want etc. And all that tax to collect!
My comments were specifically focused on people (of any sex) forced into prostitution by others - not those who choose to earn money this way. But I do feel strongly that anyone who uses a prostititute where there is a plausible likelihood that that prostitute is being controlled by others and so not in a position to choose to sell her/his body cannot avoid culpability. Whilst this may be misconstrued as a racist comment, and is obviously not foolproof, I would say the accent of the prostitute might be at least a starting point for a potential user of the service to think about whether there is a plausible likelihood that the woman is being coerced. And if there is any likelihood then any man worthy of the name should be disgusted.
There are so many arguments each way about legalisation I'm not sure I'm in any position to make a judgement but my inclination is to legalise, protect and tax!
Beware
"Days like this I hate to admit I'm a man" - Why so? Why should men bear the guilt for crimes committed by a few? Often, female gang members are caught and convicted for similar crimes.
"Former"?
I find the "former" a little bit disingenuous: he was dismissed "following conviction". i.e. at the time he committed these offences he was an employee of Deloitte's.
Accused therefore guilty?
As the article says, this individual led a dual life. One might dismiss someone before they have been found guilty by due process, but would run the risk of an action for wrongful dismissal.
evil
Not everyone in the gutter is evil as this man.
Pure evil to put your fellow beings through things like this for personal gain.
hard to believe
I thought things like this were made up for TV dramas like The Vice, never thought it really went on. Maybe I'm naïve.
Naive
I thought things like this were made up for TV dramas like The Vice, never thought it really went on. Maybe I'm naïve.
Naive? Possibly. But maybe also a decent human being who doesn't feel the need to profit from fellow human beings suffering and therefore wouldn't consider that sort of thing as likely to occur?
Deloitte manager
This would be an excellent topic for Mark Lee's 'I'm not a boring accountant' site.
Prostitute conviction
What employee checks were employed by Deloittes prior to recruiting (and probably promoting) this guy?Assuming they did whatever checks were reasonable and proportionate,isn't it typical of the gutter rats in the media that they sought to sensationalise an otherwise boring story.
Interesting issue ...
Believe in the UK people are regarded as innocent until proven guilty, however abhorrent the charge - i.e. a presumption of innocence
With this in mind how should an employer behave and did Deloitte take the right action?
Example: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/crime/10910280/Oxford-Union-presi...
Copperfield27
Please may God take you out of darkness and be able to separate good from evil.Do not be of the flesh..and [***] for the dirty, evil and self-destructive money earned by prostitutes etc.On the other hand they need the help of those who have seen the light and they also need protection fron exploitative men who take advantage of the poor, weak,widows and orphans.
@ ahingirai
Are you saying that Copperfield is wrong for not hating prostitutes too? (I must have missed the bit where they said they were [***] after prostitutes money!)
At the end of the day prostitutes are providing a service for money, just as we are. Only we get to keep our clothes on. Just because something involves sex doesn't automatically make it wrong. There are (apparently - just in case anyone gets the wrong impression of me! I considered doing my dissertation on prostitution and therefore did some research first) prostitutes who enjoy what they do and actively choose to do it. It's just supply and demand at work. I'll happily admit that it's a different ballgame when it involves women and girls (and sometimes the male equivalents) who are pressurised or forced into it, but it's important to differentiate otherwise you run the risk of trying to crack down on trafficking from the wrong angle. Viewing all prostitutes as lower-class citizens doesn't help anyone.
flasher gord
I agree with Gordon the flasher, that it's possible for adults to choose this way of earning and even to enjoy and be empowered by it. However such heinous criminality surrounds it, it's not moral to avail of such services knowing you could be at fair risk of being a party to someone's enslavement. If the government legalised and controlled it, fair enough if that's what floats your boat.
@ copperfield
Totally agree with the culpability issue - if you think there's a reasonable possibility (bit like money laundering!) then you should walk away. I would say also try and do something about it but sadly that's probably easier said than done. Interesting idea on the accent - I'm sure the majority of coerced probably are non-British accents, and those that are British accents are likely under-age so spottable that way. And quite frankly anyone that buys sex from someone who is obviously under-age deserves to be locked up and their activities publicised in prison.