
Has professional courtesy gone out of the window?
byDealing with a lack of professional courtesy from other accountants can be frustrating and annoying. But when is it justified to take offence rather than simply rising above the bad manners?
The accounting profession works well when there is a mutual understanding and a good relationship with other accountants – in other words, when you maintain professional courtesy.
As tensions run high with upcoming the self assessment season looming over everyone’s shoulders, professional courtesy seems to have gone out of the window. It’s a hot topic in the Any Answers community, with many finding themselves in sticky situations.
Noosh82 discussed their frustration after a long-term client sold the company to their daughter who then chose to use another accountant without informing them. “The existing accountant seems discourteous and unethical, not to mention problematic as they have had no information from me whatsoever in order to prepare their advice for the client,” Noosh82 wrote.
JSA Mark also detailed their annoyance when an old accountant ignored both them and the client, and provided incomplete information. They had not received full details on any of the four limited companies they were taking over.
“We followed up with multiple emails and telephone calls but the old accountant is ignoring most and drip-feeding a little information occasionally. He tells the client it has been sent, then admits it’s not been when they ask us,” wrote JSA Mark.
Offended or unfazed?
The Any Answers community seemed divided on whether the authors of the posts were taking it too personally or had every right to be upset. AccountingWEB readers Adam.arca and Lionofludesch did not seem surprised about this lack of professionalism. “There seems to be a lot of this discourtesy going around,” Adam.arca said. Lionofludesch similarly commented, “Sadly, this is increasingly common.”
The community provided advice to JSA Mark, understanding and sympathising with him. “I wouldn’t spend more time on the old accountant, but get copies of stuff from HMRC, and I suspect you’ll have to do your best with a probable dire state of affairs bookkeeping-wise,” Moonbeam remarked.
Fellow commenter, Matrix, felt that these reactions were justified and that professional courtesy needed to be maintained in these situations. In regards to Noosh82’s post, Matrix wrote: “This would annoy me too. Strange that he didn’t use you.”
However, not everyone seemed to agree with Matrix and believed that Noosh82 was taking things too much to heart.
“You are probably taking this a bit too personally as it would be reasonable for the daughter to appoint her own adviser and be regarded as too much of a conflict of interest otherwise,” Roland195 said.
Indomitable also agreed: “Clients have every right to use whoever they want. This is part of business.”
Sympathy and advice
When asked his opinion on both situations, mentor and commentator Mark Lee sympathised with Noosh82, but similar to the responses on Any Answers, he believed that the daughter was entitled to do what she wants. “Odd that anyone could or would advise without checking facts with the accountant but not unheard of,” he added.
Regarding JSA Mark, Lee said: “The client should definitely report the accounts to the Association of Chartered Certified Accountants (ACCA).”
Alex Bond Burnett, founder and lead executive coach for Ambition: Impact shared her methods for maintaining professional courtesy when someone is not cooperating. Her main piece of advice was to not let your emotions get the better of you.
“You have to remember that you are in charge of that driving stick, don’t let your emotions control you – you control your emotions,” she said. “Control and regulate the emotion to make sure that you are being curious and getting to the heart of the problem.”
She discussed how being curious in these situations is a useful way of understanding what is happening. “You have to ask questions, and be non-judgmental, to get to the heart of what’s really going on and what someone needs to hear from you,” Burnett said.
Recognising boundaries was another piece of advice offered, emphasising the importance of knowing where to draw the line.
If you’ve exhausted all efforts to alleviate the situation – including trying to get to the bottom of it, asking for information, providing support and showing empathy – Burnett advised, “You have to draw a line to protect yourself and say, this is now no longer acceptable.”
She concluded: “Remember to be assertive with kindness.”
As an accountant, how do you navigate the personal vs professional tug of war regarding a lack of professional courtesy? Let us know in the comments below.
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Non-quals, innit.
Have had quals being a complete pita in equal measures.
yes me too
An unfortunate, ill considered comment.
Had quals that ignored both email and phone contact and even actively try to refuse "clearance" as if they could stop a client leaving.
Bad behaviour is not limited by lack of qualifications.
"aggression against our staff will not be tolerated", these signs are now ubiquitous. Ive read that intelligence has been declining since the late 18th century, as we are no longer under harsh Darwinian conditions, i.e. you dont need to possess intelligence to survive and pass on your genes, i think (from memory) the trajectory is something like 100 IQ in the year 2100, will be the equivalent of todays 80 IQ, and people in the past were a lot more intelligent than us. Intelligent people cooperate with each other, and are honest/trustworthy, as they know that its in their own interest to foster such a society.
My other theory , not necessarily mutually exclusive from above, is that there has been a large increase in working from home, and there is less gravity of control surrounding individuals.
Yes; but such views are usually censored - e.g. I got a knuckle rap for calling some patently stupid people here "dumbos" the other day.
Pretending that we are all the same in our cognitive abilities, and further that, that being the case, disparities in outcome are therefore down to oppression of various sorts, is a big untruth, although I admit it's very difficult to keep everyones spirits up. We all want to be picked for our beautiful voice in the audition, and no one wants to tell the truth, that a particular singer is tone-deaf. Not everyone can sing, and not everyone has the same processor speed (intelligence), it's just a fact, but how you sort that for a happy society, I'm not sure.
That difference was, in the past, noted and acted upon. Now this "everyone is equal" stuff is good in theory but can never work in practice.
Treat others the way you would expect to be treated...
If they belong to a professional body and are not supplying relevant information, complain to that body.
If they are unregulated, explain to the client that sadly you cannot obtain all the information you require and as a consequence the fee might be slightly or considerably higher this year and get moving dealing with your client's stuff.
No point in getting angry or frustrated, or spending hours and hours trying to squeeze blood from a stone.
It's not rocket science. Values have been eroded and our whole way of life is under threat. This happens every now and then. It normally coincides with technology rising. Does anyone remember the big change in the sixties? Professionals used to wear suit and ties Etc. There is also too much of "dare I say this, can I say that". I certainly don't think that professional courtesy has gone out of the window. There may well be a few cases where this has happened.
If I take on a new client from an existing accountant I am in two minds as to contact the old accountant. Due to;-
They charge their old client quite a bit for work they have done in the year (without preparing final accounts).
They sneakily contact the client, and promise to lower their bills, going forward.
Neither are any good to me.
It's sadly the same all round though, not just with accountancy.
I'm dealing with a financial adviser at the moment, on behalf of a client; they never acknowledge receipt of my emails and have only half-heartedly thanked me (weeks later) for some information I sent, when they emailed me further to ask for something else.
Clients can be the same - they ask a question, you research it and email them back with guidance and links etc and they don't even acknowledge receipt!
Manners go a long way in my book; after all how long does it take just to pop an email across to say 'thanks' - seconds!!
Confirm receipt of emails and thank you for providing information by return?
No one has time for that level of pandering.
It must have been great in offices the 70s. Spending all day dictating pointless letters to Miss Jones thanking people for sending in info, tea trolley coming round multiple times per day, subsidised white collar canteens full of proper food, liquid lunch and blowing smoke rings from your cigars.
Times have changed.
Late sixties to late eighties was best for me. Then we had the artificial boom and bust caused by the MIRAS fiasco after the Tories got rid of Maggie and things haven't really been the same since.
Good luck on your journey. Good manners cost nothing and count for everything.
As you say, times have changed, and not for the better, from what I can see.
How can you say AI and MTD won't change things for the better?
I use plenty of manners. It is just that I'm not replying to every email as it comes in, acknowledging receipt and thanking that person for it. It is pointless and time consuming. This is not a rude way to do business.
Therein lies a major problem where some expect an instant reply or they think your being rude.
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Confirm receipt of emails and thank you for providing information by return?
No one has time for that level of pandering.
It's not a case of confirming receipt of every email but rather when someone has forwarded a lot of information by return I would think it polite as it takes so little effort.
I do, however, always respond to my clients' emails (and any third parties) unless they are merely acknowledging something themselves, as it is polite, professional and just the way I have always worked and would like others to treat me the same but maybe I'm in a minority in this 'self-entitled' world we seem to live in these days!
I've always said that it is a case of matching up advisers to clients in a compatible way. Just find someone who agrees with your way of working.
Btw, if anyone is being entitled, it is you, expecting constant email thanks and fawning. I think more than a few people these days (both young and old) suffer from Main Character Syndrome.
Realise that people are cracking on with work for other people and will reply to your email in due course. Very few will give you an interim pat on the head. But, as I say, I'm sure you can find people who will agree to do that if it gives you whatever feeling you are seeking.
This could have been me! As technology has become more available it seems that no one bothers to use it to acknowledge receipt of anything. At least we can tag emails to make sure they have arrived and when they have been read.
But courtesy has decline anyway, everywhere. It is so stupid as the best way to get what you want is to be polite whether it is making a complaint or reducing your car insurance. Even if you then cut the call and swear!
I'm glad I'm not completely out on limb then Pam!
Yes that's my view exactly.
We tend to have a problem with on line companies which are basically just processors. They charge large monthly amounts but will not respond to emails or letters. We are struggling to even basic overlapping information.
By and large I should say that most accountants are fine and there is no problem - just occasionally I have had problems but it is rare and usually the circumstances were not helped by the client being difficult.
Of course the post Covid attitude doesn't really help as the dog-walking gets in the way of those who WFH like HMRC, of course. Just had a response from HMRC after 11 months and they got practically everything wrong but then was it only about 20% that were actually in the office?
Not fit for purpose so Jim should be sacked.