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Basically it's the difference between number crunching and being an Accountant. Years ago you couldn't really get into Accountancy without training in a practice. These days however too many people think that because they can string a few figures together and comply with HMRC they are Accountants.
'On the very odd occasion, a business owner declares that it’s their accountant or bookkeeper who has provided guidance, support and helped solve the problems they face.'
On the odd occasion Sir ...... I seem to always be the first point of call.
Andrew, that's not really the way to think about it. It should come natural and the client should see that it comes natural. So when you set the fee to start with you should be mindful of your worth and the work that needs to be done. You should never feel that the client should pay for those "extras", that will inevitably destroy the relationship with your client. Never think "sales", always think "professional".
Giving a quote for a new client is all about the T's
Tricky
Terrifying
Torturous
Teasing
Task
Technical
But its all about sticking to your guns, if you have the nerve.
I suspect its the difference between using a small 1-2 partner firm (where each partner takes a great interest in ALL of their clients) and a large multi partner firm where much of the client responsibility is passed down the chain and it is just the big'ns that have interest taken in them.
Off the back of that assumption, I wonder how often Deloitte's meet each and every one of their clients for a chat to see how things are going etc.
I understand what johnjenkins says, but I agreed with Andrewv12 in that 'extras' must be paid for. If the client does not value the 'extras' and does not wish to pay then do not provide them.
I do not believe in inflating a price just in case a client my ask for extra services (and how much is extra? 25% of the usual work).
I can easily prepare annual compliance accounts & tax returns in a day. It could take me a few hours or another day to do the extras.
I think that the thing to do is to promote extra services to clients and show your skill base, but you must charge for them.
Great posts by all, now i have read all posts I can summarise the situation. Giving quotes is a bloody nightmare, however one thing I have learnt is, if clients are not complaining about your fees, your probably on the cheap side.
Andrew, it could be that they are not complaining because they feel the "price is right". Do you feel the "price is right" after you've done what is asked of you?
No the price is not about right. They dont have a clue what I do or whats involved, I even have one or two clients who advise me when I receive the records 'Its all there and it wont take you five minutes to prepare the Accounts' ....................four months later the accounts are still subject to notes and queries and further meetings are required.
So there you have it, the price is not right.
Then, Andrew, the problem lies with you and your relationship with your client.
It's your business not your clients, take control or you will have this problem all the time.
I work in a way (probably old fashioned) that I don't think of my services as "main" then "extras" (unless I'm doing a specific thing as a merger or costing out a new business venture.) My fee to my client takes account of "my worth" and as yet all my clients (about 300) come from word of mouth. As I have been going some time people know what to expect from me and that really helps. This is why a new start up without the experience of training in a practice won't pick up the really good clients.
What people are willing to pay for is the returns service
What they seem to value is the advice.
There in lies the dichotomy of the small practice.
Brilliant!
When I speak to Accountants about their 'Business Advisory Services', they talk about Managment Accounts, Business Plans, Cash Flow Forecasts... but no-one ever seems to say:
"I help my clients improve Retention, Cross Sales, Referral Rates, Conversion and other Key Performance Measures that really make a difference".
Why do you think that is Bobby?
And why do so many Accountants NOT feel it is their role to help clients in this way?
I will go further: As I reflect on my experience as a business owner, with one notable exception I don't recall my Accountant ever really getting to know my business at anything other than a superficial 'historic / compliance' level, other than for the occasional bit of tax advice.
I think that to survive, Accountants will have to use their privileged 'Trusted Advisor' status and deliver more 'Value Add Advice' to their clients.
Clients will happily pay for Advice so long as it brings commensurate value. Contrary to the conventional wisdom, clients are NOT looking for the lowest cost, (statistically, at least 86% of them aren't anyway), they want superior service.
I used to pay for an Audit, when the threshold was raised I stopped paying for an Audit. If I did not need an Accountant to help me submit statutory returns I would stop paying for that also... If every business owner took the same decision and MTD made a DIY approach possible, what would be the impact on the profession?
Surely it is time to change the nature of 'Client Relationships' so that the commodity stuff is lost in a 'Value Add' basket of financial and business growth services?
Here we go again. The old sales pitch ploy. Cobblers. There is no place for "selling" in Accountancy. If a business needs an Accountant to "run their business" then they need an "in house" Accountant. The smaller business person will know more about their business than any Accountant and so they should, that's why they're in business. Oh by the way you can get apps or spreadsheets to do all your "sales spiel".
Not all clients are the same and I think there are three main types;
1) only want compliance services and never require anything else
2) as 1 but have problems from time to time and if they can't solve them they will get in touch for help
3) have a multitude of different business issues that require expert support.
For 3's they need a trusted business advisor(TBA) and as their business has evolved beyond type 1 and 2 the support a TBA provides grows way above and beyond the mere numbers.
It is a privilege and honour to be a TBA.