Flash Gordon, I did not ask for a definite answer and I was only against people making assumptions that there irrelevant and unreasonable.
Of course, we will all learn from our mistake. We trusted our employer but, in our defence, we didn't think that a member bound by a code of ethics would act so unethically. But now, lesson definitely learnt.
I don't know if you're trying to wind me up or you just didn't read my comments correctly but my employer gave us all promises about future salary (not bonuses). There's no may or may not about it. Also, regardless of my sweet tooth I never asked for any sugar coating just whether anyone else has ever had a similar experience and if they had any advice.
However, you are correct... I am whining but I believe I have something to wind about. I will ring the institute, I've told you, I simply cannot repay the costs and I will have to carry on in my £18k job for now. You're also right with the negative emotions as I think another option would be to make that [***] chew a brick but them sort of ideas aren't healthy.
It's getting late but Perhaps if you had divulged all details from the outset assumptions wouldn't have needed to be made?
Nevertheless, your assumptions were abrupt, Self-obsessed, etc?? You don't know anything about me. I've asked for some advice that's all...basically is there anything I could potentially do about the predictament I find myself in. For all I know this could be common practice!!
Assumptions (and incorrect assumptions at that) didn't need to be made. From being deceived by my employer you almost attempted to carry out a full psychoanalysis on me. The minor details were (and still are) irrelevant. My employer has acted improper (or at least I think so) and therefore I wanted to know whether I could do anything about it. The answer is probably no but I would thought I would ask.
Again, whether my employer paid for my training costs or not is irrelevant to my question. So you have all the facts and to enable a more thorough psychoanalysis, my salary was higher but it was reduced (by agreement of course) due to my training costs (including travel costs which they haven't paid for regardless of the fact that this, most certainly, is in writing).
Someone commented that I should be in politics, but people on here seem to ignore certain facts and answer any question they like, regardless of its relevance. Politics does interest me but I don't really want to deal with those pleb police officers or bigoted all ladies...oh dear, my political career might have ended before it has started. I guess I'm too self-obsessed.
My old boss used to say...'assumptions are the mother of all f##k ups' and there's alot of incorrect assumptions on here. I did effectively pay my training costs as my salary was reduced to compensate for them which I was fine about. I also paid my accomm and travel costs even though my training contract states travel costs are met by my employer. I did ask for a meeting where they said it wasn't in writing so, basically, tuff. The others were told the same.
I had expectations because of what was promised by my employer, as was the case with the other trainees. I'm not going to blow my own trumpet but I can assure you I am up to the job, my team has been the most profitable for the last 5 years. If the business couldn't afford it then they shouldn't of promised it! They've done it because they know we're stuck there for 12 months, but saying that 1 has left after this and said if you want my training costs back then take me to court.
Self-obsessed? Would you not be upset if you were told your salary will be £8k lower than promised? As it doesn't only affect me but my little girl too it's especially upsetting. You might say "awe, boo-hoo" & that's fine but after years of struggling we thought we'd finally be better off & be able to spend more in childcare which would help her development I'm told. I have learnt a lesson (the hard way) I would suggest that you don't judge someone so quickly and perhaps learn some manners.
ShirleyM, I apologised for posting in the incorrect place and I apologise again. Again I don't think making this error reflects my role and responsibilities at work. Accountants are pretty good I know but we all have our off days.
Another incorrect assumption is that I threatened to leave. The other employer contacted me & I went for a meeting with them. They thought by salary was '...disgusting' and offered me a job the same day. I asked my current employer if I could leave but they said only if I work my notice period for free then repay my training costs.
As far as burning my bridges with my current employer, I don't care. They've broken trust & as soon as I can I would like to move. It's strange, I don't know why they would do this to all their recently qualified staff. It maybe explains the fact that since I joined the firm I reckon 14 people have qualified in my office & not 1 has stayed at the firm & I doubt if any of us will be staying too. Suggestions on a postcard....
Yes, lesson definitely learned by me and the other trainee ACA/ACCA students but I can't be grateful for being underpaid whilst training & effectively paying my own training costs then being asked to repay these costs after I have expressed that I want to leave after promises were broken & the payrise falling £8k short. I hate admitting defeat but as nothing was in writing I guess that's it.
I obviously was meant to post 2 separate blogs if I haven't done so? As a first time user of the website I apologise if I have caused any distress to ShirleyM. I hope this experience has not spoiled your day. I expected that Flash Gordon, I simply cannot accept the job as I cannot afford to repay £10k including having to work my notice period for free...with a house and child that is just unfeasible. I know I should of got something in writing, I've been nothing but a good, hard-working, etc employee who passed all exams at the first attempt (including 1 award) & after all that, I didn't think my employer would do that...hands up, I was naive at best! I'm not the only one at the firm that this has happened to and they have talked about getting legal advice from the institute, apparently it's free? That's why I was asking about the institute.
My answers
Somebody's got too much time on their hands.
Is this common on here?
Flash Gordon, I did not ask for a definite answer and I was only against people making assumptions that there irrelevant and unreasonable.
Of course, we will all learn from our mistake. We trusted our employer but, in our defence, we didn't think that a member bound by a code of ethics would act so unethically. But now, lesson definitely learnt.
I don't know if you're trying to wind me up or you just didn't read my comments correctly but my employer gave us all promises about future salary (not bonuses). There's no may or may not about it. Also, regardless of my sweet tooth I never asked for any sugar coating just whether anyone else has ever had a similar experience and if they had any advice.
However, you are correct... I am whining but I believe I have something to wind about. I will ring the institute, I've told you, I simply cannot repay the costs and I will have to carry on in my £18k job for now. You're also right with the negative emotions as I think another option would be to make that [***] chew a brick but them sort of ideas aren't healthy.
It's getting late but
Perhaps if you had divulged all details from the outset assumptions wouldn't have needed to be made?
Nevertheless, your assumptions were abrupt, Self-obsessed, etc?? You don't know anything about me. I've asked for some advice that's all...basically is there anything I could potentially do about the predictament I find myself in. For all I know this could be common practice!!
Assumptions (and incorrect assumptions at that) didn't need to be made. From being deceived by my employer you almost attempted to carry out a full psychoanalysis on me. The minor details were (and still are) irrelevant. My employer has acted improper (or at least I think so) and therefore I wanted to know whether I could do anything about it. The answer is probably no but I would thought I would ask.
Again, whether my employer paid for my training costs or not is irrelevant to my question. So you have all the facts and to enable a more thorough psychoanalysis, my salary was higher but it was reduced (by agreement of course) due to my training costs (including travel costs which they haven't paid for regardless of the fact that this, most certainly, is in writing).
Someone commented that I should be in politics, but people on here seem to ignore certain facts and answer any question they like, regardless of its relevance. Politics does interest me but I don't really want to deal with those pleb police officers or bigoted all ladies...oh dear, my political career might have ended before it has started. I guess I'm too self-obsessed.
My old boss used to say...'assumptions are the mother of all f##k ups' and there's alot of incorrect assumptions on here. I did effectively pay my training costs as my salary was reduced to compensate for them which I was fine about. I also paid my accomm and travel costs even though my training contract states travel costs are met by my employer. I did ask for a meeting where they said it wasn't in writing so, basically, tuff. The others were told the same.
I had expectations because of what was promised by my employer, as was the case with the other trainees. I'm not going to blow my own trumpet but I can assure you I am up to the job, my team has been the most profitable for the last 5 years. If the business couldn't afford it then they shouldn't of promised it! They've done it because they know we're stuck there for 12 months, but saying that 1 has left after this and said if you want my training costs back then take me to court.
Self-obsessed? Would you not be upset if you were told your salary will be £8k lower than promised? As it doesn't only affect me but my little girl too it's especially upsetting. You might say "awe, boo-hoo" & that's fine but after years of struggling we thought we'd finally be better off & be able to spend more in childcare which would help her development I'm told. I have learnt a lesson (the hard way) I would suggest that you don't judge someone so quickly and perhaps learn some manners.
ShirleyM, I apologised for posting in the incorrect place and I apologise again. Again I don't think making this error reflects my role and responsibilities at work. Accountants are pretty good I know but we all have our off days.
Another incorrect assumption is that I threatened to leave. The other employer contacted me & I went for a meeting with them. They thought by salary was '...disgusting' and offered me a job the same day. I asked my current employer if I could leave but they said only if I work my notice period for free then repay my training costs.
As far as burning my bridges with my current employer, I don't care. They've broken trust & as soon as I can I would like to move. It's strange, I don't know why they would do this to all their recently qualified staff. It maybe explains the fact that since I joined the firm I reckon 14 people have qualified in my office & not 1 has stayed at the firm & I doubt if any of us will be staying too. Suggestions on a postcard....
Yes, lesson definitely learned by me and the other trainee ACA/ACCA students but I can't be grateful for being underpaid whilst training & effectively paying my own training costs then being asked to repay these costs after I have expressed that I want to leave after promises were broken & the payrise falling £8k short. I hate admitting defeat but as nothing was in writing I guess that's it.
Well, thank you (genuinely) for clearing that up, but I would have appreciated that advice in the first place rather than the grilling I did get!
Patronising
Basil, is there really any need to be so patronising? Seriously?
I obviously was meant to post 2 separate blogs if I haven't done so? As a first time user of the website I apologise if I have caused any distress to ShirleyM. I hope this experience has not spoiled your day. I expected that Flash Gordon, I simply cannot accept the job as I cannot afford to repay £10k including having to work my notice period for free...with a house and child that is just unfeasible. I know I should of got something in writing, I've been nothing but a good, hard-working, etc employee who passed all exams at the first attempt (including 1 award) & after all that, I didn't think my employer would do that...hands up, I was naive at best! I'm not the only one at the firm that this has happened to and they have talked about getting legal advice from the institute, apparently it's free? That's why I was asking about the institute.