The final submission can be either a FPS or an EPS, depending on your circumstances, so if you do need to complete an EPS after the final FPS of the year then you should include the answers to the end of year declarations in that submission.
The declarations are essentially the same as the old P35 declarations:
Would it be possible for you to sendan email to [email protected] with the questions you have regarding the pension module, please? We'll make sure that they get answered as soon as possible.
These messages are sent via the Data Provisioning Service (DPS), which is the same service that sends the electronic tax code and student loan messages, so you would pick the new messages up in the same way, assuming your payroll software supports the new message type.
Sage Payroll supports these messages and you can see them within the Secure Mailbox option.
HMRC have now published the timeframe for the scheduled upgrade for the PAYE service, and it is from Wed 9th October until Tues 15th October.
You will still be able to make submissions during this time but you will not receive any response to indicate if it was successful or not.
@Kazmc, when you make a submission from within our software it will wait for a response from the service and then present that response as either a success or fail message. During this maintenance period the program will not receive any response and so it will continuously poll. However, when the program starts to poll you can use the 'Check again later' button which will immediately disconnect from the submission process and you can then reconnect later (after the service is back up and running) to check the status of the submission.
This will allow you to make your RTI submissions on whatever date you would normally need to do them by.
I've just received conformation that the PAYE service will be affected by the downtime. However, as I stated above, you should still be able to make submissions during this time but you won't receive a confirmation that it was successful or not until the downtime ends.
As the above article says, we’ve been working with HMRC to identify the root of this issue as it has affected a small number of employers. HMRC’s systems would normally reject incorrect submissions and the user would have been able to complete the correct type of return. The user will not have been presented with a message to confirm successful filing of a P35, rather the RTI end of year routine. This does not impact those people who were in the RTI pilot period and should have submitted under the RTI routines.
We spoke with HMRC and got it agreed that this small number of employers would have their penalties waived due to the ambiguity over HMRC accepting these submissions and to help in the transition to RTI.
We have since contacted all customers on our systems who are recorded as having the incorrect submission type to explain how they need to respond and followed this up over the past few days to make sure we can support all these people to the maximum extent possible.
Kazmc – one of our support team will be in touch shortly to help with the issue you raise.
Since the 6th April we have enabled more than 120,000 customers to successfully complete more than 2 million RTI submissions. We will continue to be pro-active in our support of our customers during the biggest transition to PAYE reporting and in our conversations with HMRC., but if anyone else is having any challenges please let us know by contacting our support team on 0845 111 1111 for accountants or 0845 111 5555 for other payroll users.
Hi, you aren't missing anything but it is also possible to do want you want.
The only rule HMRC have defined here is that the end of year declarations must be included in the last submission of the year, and this could be either a FPS or an EPS, they do not have to be sent by the time the last payment is made.
While a FPS will have to be sent by the 5th April (because this is the last day in the year in which you could pay somebody, therefore the last day on which you can adhere to the 'on or before' rule) you have until the 19th April before you have to send the EPS.
The last EPS you send does not have to be for an adjustment or a nil payment, it can just include the declarations if you want, so regardless of the situation, you can adhere to all of the RTI rules and wait until the 19th April before sending the declarations.
Whether or not you are able to do this will be down to the software that you use and how the different RTI submission types have been implemented.
This is how we have designed the end of year process within our RTI software.
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The final submission can be either a FPS or an EPS, depending on your circumstances, so if you do need to complete an EPS after the final FPS of the year then you should include the answers to the end of year declarations in that submission.
The declarations are essentially the same as the old P35 declarations:
http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/payerti/reporting/what-to-report.htm#9
Regards
Gary
Sage (UK) Ltd.
re: Sage Support
Hi Moonbeam,
Would it be possible for you to sendan email to [email protected] with the questions you have regarding the pension module, please? We'll make sure that they get answered as soon as possible.
Regards
Gary
Sage (UK) Ltd
GNS is supported via Sage
Hi Kazmc,
The GNS messages are supported by your Sage Payroll software, as long as you have the latest update (released earlier this year).
You can view the messages in the same way in which you can view the P9, SL1 etc messages within the Secure Mailbox option.
Regards
Gary
Sage (UK) Ltd
Sent via DPS
These messages are sent via the Data Provisioning Service (DPS), which is the same service that sends the electronic tax code and student loan messages, so you would pick the new messages up in the same way, assuming your payroll software supports the new message type.
Sage Payroll supports these messages and you can see them within the Secure Mailbox option.
Regards
Gary
Sage (UK) Ltd
Downtime now cancelled
HMRC have cancelled the planned downtime for this weekend. The PAYE service update starting from the 9th to the 15th has also been cancelled:
http://www.hmrc.gov.uk/news/online-service-upgrade-postponed.htm
Regards
Gary
Sage (UK) Ltd
Further update from HMRC
HMRC have now published the timeframe for the scheduled upgrade for the PAYE service, and it is from Wed 9th October until Tues 15th October.
You will still be able to make submissions during this time but you will not receive any response to indicate if it was successful or not.
@Kazmc, when you make a submission from within our software it will wait for a response from the service and then present that response as either a success or fail message. During this maintenance period the program will not receive any response and so it will continuously poll. However, when the program starts to poll you can use the 'Check again later' button which will immediately disconnect from the submission process and you can then reconnect later (after the service is back up and running) to check the status of the submission.
This will allow you to make your RTI submissions on whatever date you would normally need to do them by.
Regards
Gary
Sage (UK) Ltd
EDIT: PAYE will be affected...
I've just received conformation that the PAYE service will be affected by the downtime. However, as I stated above, you should still be able to make submissions during this time but you won't receive a confirmation that it was successful or not until the downtime ends.
Gary
Sage (UK) Ltd
PAYE service is not affected
According to HMRC's Service Availability page the PAYE service is not part of the downtime work so there should be no problem making RTI submissions.
For those services that are affected you will still be able to make a submission, you just won't get a response during the downtime.
I'm awaiting confirmation from HMRCs developer support team that the PAYE service is not included.
Gary
Sage (UK) Ltd
An update from Sage
Hi all, Gary from Sage here.
As the above article says, we’ve been working with HMRC to identify the root of this issue as it has affected a small number of employers. HMRC’s systems would normally reject incorrect submissions and the user would have been able to complete the correct type of return. The user will not have been presented with a message to confirm successful filing of a P35, rather the RTI end of year routine. This does not impact those people who were in the RTI pilot period and should have submitted under the RTI routines.
We spoke with HMRC and got it agreed that this small number of employers would have their penalties waived due to the ambiguity over HMRC accepting these submissions and to help in the transition to RTI.
We have since contacted all customers on our systems who are recorded as having the incorrect submission type to explain how they need to respond and followed this up over the past few days to make sure we can support all these people to the maximum extent possible.
Kazmc – one of our support team will be in touch shortly to help with the issue you raise.
Since the 6th April we have enabled more than 120,000 customers to successfully complete more than 2 million RTI submissions. We will continue to be pro-active in our support of our customers during the biggest transition to PAYE reporting and in our conversations with HMRC., but if anyone else is having any challenges please let us know by contacting our support team on 0845 111 1111 for accountants or 0845 111 5555 for other payroll users.
Thanks,
Gary and the Sage team.
Use the EPS
Hi, you aren't missing anything but it is also possible to do want you want.
The only rule HMRC have defined here is that the end of year declarations must be included in the last submission of the year, and this could be either a FPS or an EPS, they do not have to be sent by the time the last payment is made.
While a FPS will have to be sent by the 5th April (because this is the last day in the year in which you could pay somebody, therefore the last day on which you can adhere to the 'on or before' rule) you have until the 19th April before you have to send the EPS.
The last EPS you send does not have to be for an adjustment or a nil payment, it can just include the declarations if you want, so regardless of the situation, you can adhere to all of the RTI rules and wait until the 19th April before sending the declarations.
Whether or not you are able to do this will be down to the software that you use and how the different RTI submission types have been implemented.
This is how we have designed the end of year process within our RTI software.
Gary
Sage UK