Mark Telford wrote:
If you don't want to get on the cloud - no problem - just be aware that some of your clients will want to.
I only have one client out of approx 40 on cloud, and that's because she was already on it when I took it over. Not one client has requested it (granted I do all the bookkeeping) I'm not averse to it one iota, and if asked will provide it, but why should I force my clients to spend £10-£30 a month on software when I can cheerfully do the same in VT, at no cost to them?
I have not yet found a cheap already read and MTD forVAT bridging product for which you can just pay a one off fee.
Vitaltax and Avalara are both free. Quite a few are around £40 a year NJ Technologies being one.
I'm not sure if not being registered will attract a fine in the first year, it may well do, but certainly there will be no policing of the MTD data process, so you may get away with entering a single sales figure and purchase figure. You will have failed to keep digital records though, which could well attract a fine if you get a VAT inspection.
That is quite intrusive. I might be on a remote island in Papua New Guinea one week, in one of my other 7 homes in other countries in another week. It is none of HMRC's business where and from what device I send them data. Also many of have IP addresses which are not static and regularly change or might use a lap top one day and a computer for the next quarter.
I read it the same way you did, but on reflection, I think it's saying software suppliers will be fined for not sending any metadata, it's not saying it has to be the same metadata every time.
If the metadata doesn't match up with previously collected data, they will stall the refund and make further enquiries.
I have just had a quick look at VT Transaction + for a manual-books client of mine to go onto - it does look very user friendly, and the annual sub quite cheap. Another software house (anagramsystems.co.uk) reckon VT won't be MVD compliant - a bit of a cheek if not the case and so I've emailed VT.
VT isn't MTD ready yet, but they are bringing a new version which will be ready in time for the first MTD submissions, which will be MTD compliant.
For single businesses using VT to submit they need the new version of VTT+ which will be £75 + VAT per annum. Agents using VT to submit for multiple clients will need VT accounts which will be £150 + VAT per annum.
If you've recently subscribed I would guess you wouldn't have to pay again for the MTD version.
Avalara isn't on your list but isn't ready yet, which I'm surprised at tbh. I registered my interest months ago
If the savings scheme also acts to defer the IT and NIC then I would say it is a fair cop as you can't argue staff are entitled to the money for NMW purposes but argue they are not for tax purposes.
But we don't know if this is the case yet as Mr Walker has withheld relevant facts - but presumably wants us to side with him regardless......
The money is deducted from their net pay every week and refunded on demand. A friend of mine participated in this scheme and found it helpful in putting money aside for Christmas.
If it was used to defer tax and NI the employee would get a bit of a shock when they only get 670 quidish of the 1k they saved on the week it was refunded.
This is a ridiculous stance from HMRC and needs to be killed dead.
I advised all my clients about MTD this morning so they hear it from me first. I had also included details in budget updates.
I waited til now since I was so certain it would be repealed and I didn't want clients to blame me for making any unnecessary changes.
It's still possible that Phil Hammond could delay MTD4VAT to 2020 in the Autumn budget. I'm not confident HMRC are ready yet.
Perhaps the biggest question in all this is why the hell are HMRC not telling taxpayers about what is happening!
Oh absolutely. Accountants/Bookkeepers have an opportunity to help small businesses implement the change and I will certainly seek to maximise that for local businesses in my area, but for medium/big businesses it may require changes to bespoke software and I can see the fan being quite mucky once they are aware.
Why the correlation between MTD and online accounts? This was the mantra trotted out by the online software companies, who then got their fingers burnt when HMRC dropped the 2017 deadline and pushed it out to 2020 at the earliest. You don't need online accounting software to be MTD compliant, although I concede that an online connection will be needed to submit VAT, but then it is already.
I'm not a luddite and love technology, but it seems to me that the cloudy people love to push their software as the Holy grail when in fact it isn't. Desktop is so much quicker, although I do agree that data collection (eg bank feeds) can be much quicker.
I'll continue to use VT+ to do a clients bookkeeping and use something like Neilson James to do the bridging bit. Ergo no extra cost to my clients save for a small increase in doing the VAT returns to cover the cost of using their software.
Out of interest what was the sum outstanding to HMRC on PAYE and other revenues?#
£75 million I heard on the news last night.