This raises a different question though, are we paid to do a job or are we paid to give up our time to complete a job? ( I don't buy a spade because I need a spade, I buy a spade because I need a hole in the ground).
If the job regularly requires additional hours (emphasis on the regularly), you are either under resourced for the level of work, or the employee is not as efficient as they need to be? Why is this laziness, lack of training etc.
If required a reasonable amount of extra hours is ok, doing this regularly is not!
I think there is also something called "Quiet Firing" where employers aren't interested in their staff, no salary reviews, training etc. They can't really complain when staff do the minimum required and then leave - but I am sure they do.
Clearly there are exceptions, there are always amazing companies, bosses and employees out there unfortunately we rarely hear about them.
As with a number of responders here, I have worked stupid hours in the past, which is then expected with no recognition. I certainly don't do it anymore but the job gets done. Am I a "quiet quitter" or just someone who has realised that life can be great outside of work?
As similar as the role of Chief Financial Officer is to a Finance Manager, in other words a world apart!
The argument these days is that a CPO is more important to a business than at any other time. Why, the employee experience and staff retention, which is the huge and costly challenge these days
The idea of a flexible approach to working (office and WFH), is really appealing but 4 days per week doesn't appear to work, certainly not where I am employed. Of course some employees will try to take advantage where they can which will inevitably ruin it for the majority - always the way!
However, on the other side of the coin I have had an interesting conversation with my employer who absolutely will not pay 5 days for 4 days work. I did ask him if he was willing therefore to pay the extra hours we work each week and for the phone calls I get while abroad on family holidays (not in the last 18 months), and unsurprisingly he didn't want to do that either. (The joys of being fairly close to retirement means that I can ask the difficult questions without worrying about my future career!)
Some employees will take advantage as will some employers
My answers
This raises a different question though, are we paid to do a job or are we paid to give up our time to complete a job? ( I don't buy a spade because I need a spade, I buy a spade because I need a hole in the ground).
If the job regularly requires additional hours (emphasis on the regularly), you are either under resourced for the level of work, or the employee is not as efficient as they need to be? Why is this laziness, lack of training etc.
If required a reasonable amount of extra hours is ok, doing this regularly is not!
No problem with that - if you aren't interested in your staff and don't appreciate them why would they want to work for you anyway?
Not just the accounting industry though, I think you will find the same is true in most walks of life these days.
I think there is also something called "Quiet Firing" where employers aren't interested in their staff, no salary reviews, training etc. They can't really complain when staff do the minimum required and then leave - but I am sure they do.
Clearly there are exceptions, there are always amazing companies, bosses and employees out there unfortunately we rarely hear about them.
As with a number of responders here, I have worked stupid hours in the past, which is then expected with no recognition. I certainly don't do it anymore but the job gets done. Am I a "quiet quitter" or just someone who has realised that life can be great outside of work?
As similar as the role of Chief Financial Officer is to a Finance Manager, in other words a world apart!
The argument these days is that a CPO is more important to a business than at any other time. Why, the employee experience and staff retention, which is the huge and costly challenge these days
The idea of a flexible approach to working (office and WFH), is really appealing but 4 days per week doesn't appear to work, certainly not where I am employed. Of course some employees will try to take advantage where they can which will inevitably ruin it for the majority - always the way!
However, on the other side of the coin I have had an interesting conversation with my employer who absolutely will not pay 5 days for 4 days work. I did ask him if he was willing therefore to pay the extra hours we work each week and for the phone calls I get while abroad on family holidays (not in the last 18 months), and unsurprisingly he didn't want to do that either. (The joys of being fairly close to retirement means that I can ask the difficult questions without worrying about my future career!)
Some employees will take advantage as will some employers
If they are furloughed, then they are furloughed by the company - not their choice whether they come in or not!