Hi all , I called HMRC today to explain the situation again and try to make them understand. I was told that indeed he was asked back in Sept113 to submit copies of paper return (the one lost) to prove initial submission in June13, but they were in position to not accept it because didn't have an original signature of my client. The HMRC representative told me that he should've sign the copies and post. But he was not told / explained this way at all. Is this for real? HMRC rep advised me to write to them again.....my experience with HMRC so far not just on this case , but with some personal maters as well made me doubting their answers. You tend to get a different one from each HMRC rep you are talking to....
I will give you dates & more info, as I think some of you didn't get the full picture, because you didn't have them.
My friend/client had selfemployment activity during 2011-2012. By January 2013 he didn't get a SA letter and he contacted HMRC to ask why/when he should get one.
They send him a SA form in February 2013 and being on paper, he read about it online that must be submitted by October 31st. In May 2013 they imposed £100 penalty. He paid the penalty and it is then when he came to me to help with the submission. I did it for £100 charge and post it for him as he was in a rush (had to go abroad).
He called HMRC on his return to ask if they received it and when to expect answer to his appeal - he appealled against the 100 penalty. He was told to expect a reply after 15th July. He then forgot about it and they never replied. In Sept2013 he was sent a penalty letter for £600.When he contacted HMRC and explained the situation he was told to sent copies of his return if he has them. He did. Another letter came at end of October2013 with £1,200 penalty saying that they can not accept paper copies and he must do it online. He appealed against all these decissions and was told that until he submits his return they can't reply to his appeal.
He then registered online and was able to submit it early Dec2013.
He received reply to his appeal in Jan14 saying that they can not decide based on all these facts and he either can ask for another HMRC officer review or go to tribunal. (they gave him a court case example still in the tribunal). he requested another review and now he received it with a decision that his appeal is not succesful.
I offered him support during these months foc and it is now after he received last decision when he turned against me and asking to pay his trouble.
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Hi all , I called HMRC today to explain the situation again and try to make them understand. I was told that indeed he was asked back in Sept113 to submit copies of paper return (the one lost) to prove initial submission in June13, but they were in position to not accept it because didn't have an original signature of my client. The HMRC representative told me that he should've sign the copies and post. But he was not told / explained this way at all. Is this for real? HMRC rep advised me to write to them again.....my experience with HMRC so far not just on this case , but with some personal maters as well made me doubting their answers. You tend to get a different one from each HMRC rep you are talking to....
Hi , Thank you for your replies. I'll take the offer with the wording, if still available.
Hi all,
Thank you for responses.
I will give you dates & more info, as I think some of you didn't get the full picture, because you didn't have them.
My friend/client had selfemployment activity during 2011-2012. By January 2013 he didn't get a SA letter and he contacted HMRC to ask why/when he should get one.
They send him a SA form in February 2013 and being on paper, he read about it online that must be submitted by October 31st. In May 2013 they imposed £100 penalty. He paid the penalty and it is then when he came to me to help with the submission. I did it for £100 charge and post it for him as he was in a rush (had to go abroad).
He called HMRC on his return to ask if they received it and when to expect answer to his appeal - he appealled against the 100 penalty. He was told to expect a reply after 15th July. He then forgot about it and they never replied. In Sept2013 he was sent a penalty letter for £600.When he contacted HMRC and explained the situation he was told to sent copies of his return if he has them. He did. Another letter came at end of October2013 with £1,200 penalty saying that they can not accept paper copies and he must do it online. He appealed against all these decissions and was told that until he submits his return they can't reply to his appeal.
He then registered online and was able to submit it early Dec2013.
He received reply to his appeal in Jan14 saying that they can not decide based on all these facts and he either can ask for another HMRC officer review or go to tribunal. (they gave him a court case example still in the tribunal). he requested another review and now he received it with a decision that his appeal is not succesful.
I offered him support during these months foc and it is now after he received last decision when he turned against me and asking to pay his trouble.
This is the full story.
It was a friend - someone I knew at the time, but now when turns to me to pay for this...I can debate it, can't I?
The return was for 2011-2012 and it was late when I started.