Although an older article - this might help? See final sentence.
Limited company who is initially unable to claim Employment Allowance in 2016 to 2017 but pays a further employee above the Secondary Threshold and becomes eligible.
X Ltd. is a company which employs a single paid director, Mr X, with no other employees. X Ltd. will not be eligible to claim the Employment Allowance from April 2016.
In June 2016 Mr X takes on a further employee, Mrs Y. Mrs Y is paid more than £156 per week. X Ltd. is now eligible to claim the Employment Allowance for the 2016 to 2017 tax year. If Mrs Y becomes a director of X Ltd. her annual earnings must be above the annual Secondary Threshold (£8,112 for 2016 to 2017) or the pro-rata equivalent to claim the Employment Allowance.
I had a job where the company (vat registered) charged for van usage to the subbies and we accounted for vat on the deduction. Had a vat inspection and it was the first question the inspector asked - confirming it was subject to vat.
I also believe should be included in the vat return, and not just the net amount. I'd enter the total invoice using a code that is included in the vat return, but with no vat, then a credit note to cis deducted (t9), unless on cash accounting of course, in which case you need to set up a cis bank account to get the total payment onto the vat return.
The payment isn't outside the scope, the supply would be vatable if the trader was registered for vat.
I've got a client who used really old version of Sage, and although yes, bridging software can be used, isn't the problem that you can never update your pc because old sage versions can't run with up to date windows? This client has recently swopped to VT and is finding it saves time and MTD compliant.
Moneysoft vote from me. Just had phone call from Brightpay but it's more expensive and I'm happy with Moneysoft. Does CIS, pension etc. Very happy with it, and put a few clients on it too and they find it much easier than Sage payroll.
I've used Moneysoft for several years (previously used Sage which was also expensive) and prefer it, NEST pension function is really good, and P11D. Only slight disappointment was back in July when they stopped calculating the furlough claim - don't know if other software providers still have that facility? Other than that I think it's a great product for the price. My payrolls are also straightforward though.
I had a similar problem couple of weeks ago. Spent frustrating couple of hours going around in circles. I found a thread that suggested you register as the agent for CIS services and that can work for the subcontractor side. I too had indicated both contractor and subcontractor on the paye set up. So I asked for authority as for cis agent and a code has been issued which suggests they did take the info from the paye registration form. I then told the client he had to go through the helpline to register as the contractor himself. He eventually got through to be told it was all set up anyway! So not very satisfactory but believe we are all set up ready to go. Don't know if that helps?
Just to follow up - I've spoken with boiler co again this morning. on the "helpline". They did not know a company cannot have benefits in kind. They issue the statement to every supplier that receives a voucher during the year (it's based on how many boilers purchased) I asked what I'm supposed to do with it and they couldn't say. They do not report the vouchers under a Taxed Award Scheme and in fact do nothing with the information so it seems to be a back covering exercise only. The employer does not facilitate the award, and when I asked the client what happened with the voucher he wasn't aware he had one but has now found it in his paperwork. So much for a helpline. Anyway, thanks to all for your input.
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Although an older article - this might help? See final sentence.
Limited company who is initially unable to claim Employment Allowance in 2016 to 2017 but pays a further employee above the Secondary Threshold and becomes eligible.
X Ltd. is a company which employs a single paid director, Mr X, with no other employees. X Ltd. will not be eligible to claim the Employment Allowance from April 2016.
In June 2016 Mr X takes on a further employee, Mrs Y. Mrs Y is paid more than £156 per week. X Ltd. is now eligible to claim the Employment Allowance for the 2016 to 2017 tax year. If Mrs Y becomes a director of X Ltd. her annual earnings must be above the annual Secondary Threshold (£8,112 for 2016 to 2017) or the pro-rata equivalent to claim the Employment Allowance.
I had a job where the company (vat registered) charged for van usage to the subbies and we accounted for vat on the deduction. Had a vat inspection and it was the first question the inspector asked - confirming it was subject to vat.
I also believe should be included in the vat return, and not just the net amount. I'd enter the total invoice using a code that is included in the vat return, but with no vat, then a credit note to cis deducted (t9), unless on cash accounting of course, in which case you need to set up a cis bank account to get the total payment onto the vat return.
The payment isn't outside the scope, the supply would be vatable if the trader was registered for vat.
Worry about everything, baggage collection system at Heathrow etc........... :)
Thank you for replying, I'm a "worrier" so I think I'll change it to tax point date of entry. What a pain for no gain.
I've got a client who used really old version of Sage, and although yes, bridging software can be used, isn't the problem that you can never update your pc because old sage versions can't run with up to date windows? This client has recently swopped to VT and is finding it saves time and MTD compliant.
Moneysoft vote from me. Just had phone call from Brightpay but it's more expensive and I'm happy with Moneysoft. Does CIS, pension etc. Very happy with it, and put a few clients on it too and they find it much easier than Sage payroll.
I've used Moneysoft for several years (previously used Sage which was also expensive) and prefer it, NEST pension function is really good, and P11D. Only slight disappointment was back in July when they stopped calculating the furlough claim - don't know if other software providers still have that facility? Other than that I think it's a great product for the price. My payrolls are also straightforward though.
I had a similar problem couple of weeks ago. Spent frustrating couple of hours going around in circles. I found a thread that suggested you register as the agent for CIS services and that can work for the subcontractor side. I too had indicated both contractor and subcontractor on the paye set up. So I asked for authority as for cis agent and a code has been issued which suggests they did take the info from the paye registration form. I then told the client he had to go through the helpline to register as the contractor himself. He eventually got through to be told it was all set up anyway! So not very satisfactory but believe we are all set up ready to go. Don't know if that helps?
Just to follow up - I've spoken with boiler co again this morning. on the "helpline". They did not know a company cannot have benefits in kind. They issue the statement to every supplier that receives a voucher during the year (it's based on how many boilers purchased) I asked what I'm supposed to do with it and they couldn't say. They do not report the vouchers under a Taxed Award Scheme and in fact do nothing with the information so it seems to be a back covering exercise only. The employer does not facilitate the award, and when I asked the client what happened with the voucher he wasn't aware he had one but has now found it in his paperwork. So much for a helpline. Anyway, thanks to all for your input.