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Such are the tax attractions of driving a zero-emissions car, particularly where the company provides it, that many advisers have taken their own advice and gone electric.   

14th Dec 2021
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On an AccountingWEB Live panel session with Rebecca Benneyworth we both confessed to driving an electric car. I also know of three other tax lecturers who drive electric, because frankly the tax savings are too big to ignore.

Company owned

If your company has the spare cash, and you need a new vehicle, then it makes total sense for the company to buy an electric car or van for you to use.

The tax attractions of an electric company van are even greater than for electric cars, but be clear about what you are buying, as some vans are actually cars, for employee benefit purposes.

Capital allowances

The immediate tax saving is banked by the company as it can claim a 100% first year capital allowance for buying a brand new electric car before April 2025, or a super-deduction of 130% for purchasing a brand new electric van (any van in fact), before April 2023.

The full cost of a second-hand electric van can be claimed under the annual investment allowance (AIA), but cars don’t qualify for the AIA, whether electric or not. 

Benefits in kind

In 2021/22 the taxable benefit of having a zero-emissions company car is 1% of the list price. This will increase to 2% of list price on 6 April 2023, and then the tax charge will be held at that level until at least 6 April 2025. This helps with budgeting.

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Tornado
By Tornado
14th Dec 2021 17:35

"As another electric car convert remarked to me about his EV, “I’m doing it for the planet. The massive tax saving is a minor aside, Obvs”.

As far as current tax savings are concerned, there are very attractive incentives and there are circumstances where an electric car is ideal, but there will always be range anxiety and despite some 120 years since the first electric car was built and the massive advances in battery technology, there is still a limit to the amount of power that can be stored in a battery.

As far as saving the planet is concerned, I am not too sure about that as the resources required to create this electric car utopia will wreak havoc on our world with rare metals required in unimaginable quantities and millions of miles of cable required just to start with. And then the problems of where to place easy accessible charging points that are always available and don't require charging leads all over the place so that the world looks like a pan of spaghetti has been thrown randomly over everything.

I am now thinking that Hydrogen will be the answer. Hydrogen will still use vast amounts of electricity to create, but if Hydrogen creation was concentrated into specific areas (say disused oil refineries) and electricity generated from green or emission free sources (such as nuclear, wind, tide, solar), then a pure emission free fuel can be created.

Distribution to vehicle users can then be through existing (adapted) filling stations. This will eliminate range anxiety and reduce the massive disruption that wiring the planet for electric cars would create.

The great thing is that only water is created when burning hydrogen, a perfect solution.

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By Hugo Fair
14th Dec 2021 19:43

+1 (limitations of the technology)
+1 (impact on planet's resources) ... actually +5 in terms of severity!
+1 (hydrogen as the saviour - eventually)

There is more to life than saving tax- which I was always taught should never be the determinant of any decision.

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By Tornado
14th Dec 2021 20:53

"There is more to life than saving tax- which I was always taught should never be the determinant of any decision."

Client - I want you to save me Tax
Me - OK, but it will cost you.
Client - No Problem
Me - I am going to quadruple my (tax deductible) bill to you, which will save you a lorry load of tax.

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By Hugo Fair
15th Dec 2021 10:53

Q.E.D. - and makes it easier to decide on whether or not to retain the client!

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By Paul Crowley
15th Dec 2021 12:21

When I first started, First year was taxed more than once
Doubling the bill gave 4 times the tax relief
Tax rates were a lot higher as well
Client would be better off even after paying the double sized bill

Those were the days my friend.

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By Nick Graves
15th Dec 2021 12:00

Tornado wrote:

"As another electric car convert remarked to me about his EV, “I’m doing it for the planet. The massive tax saving is a minor aside, Obvs”.

As far as current tax savings are concerned, there are very attractive incentives and there are circumstances where an electric car is ideal, but there will always be range anxiety and despite some 120 years since the first electric car was built and the massive advances in battery technology, there is still a limit to the amount of power that can be stored in a battery.

As far as saving the planet is concerned, I am not too sure about that as the resources required to create this electric car utopia will wreak havoc on our world with rare metals required in unimaginable quantities and millions of miles of cable required just to start with. And then the problems of where to place easy accessible charging points that are always available and don't require charging leads all over the place so that the world looks like a pan of spaghetti has been thrown randomly over everything.

I am now thinking that Hydrogen will be the answer. Hydrogen will still use vast amounts of electricity to create, but if Hydrogen creation was concentrated into specific areas (say disused oil refineries) and electricity generated from green or emission free sources (such as nuclear, wind, tide, solar), then a pure emission free fuel can be created.

Distribution to vehicle users can then be through existing (adapted) filling stations. This will eliminate range anxiety and reduce the massive disruption that wiring the planet for electric cars would create.

The great thing is that only water is created when burning hydrogen, a perfect solution.

Hydrogen is even dafter, since the 2nd law of thermodynamics gets in the way; it takes a lot of energy to knock off Mickey Mouse's ears, compress them, store them etc. Solar hydrolysis gives a negative return on energy invested.

If you reform gas into H2 you still ultimately end up with the same chemical reaction as if you'd burned the stuff in an infernal combustion engine in the first place, without all the additional energy losses on the way.

At least Li-ion BEV cells burn with a bright yellow light, so you can run away from the toxins and heat. Hydrogen flames are invisible...

Don't get gaslit by all this enviro non-science....

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Tornado
By Tornado
15th Dec 2021 12:42

What does this mean, then, when it comes to choosing what the best solution is for the long term future of vehicle propulsion. Electric, Hydrogen or something else?

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By lionofludesch
20th Dec 2021 09:26

Tornado wrote:

"As another electric car convert remarked to me about his EV, “I’m doing it for the planet. The massive tax saving is a minor aside, Obvs”.

As far as current tax savings are concerned, there are very attractive incentives and there are circumstances where an electric car is ideal, but there will always be range anxiety and despite some 120 years since the first electric car was built and the massive advances in battery technology, there is still a limit to the amount of power that can be stored in a battery.

As far as saving the planet is concerned, I am not too sure about that as the resources required to create this electric car utopia will wreak havoc on our world with rare metals required in unimaginable quantities and millions of miles of cable required just to start with. And then the problems of where to place easy accessible charging points that are always available and don't require charging leads all over the place so that the world looks like a pan of spaghetti has been thrown randomly over everything.

I am now thinking that Hydrogen will be the answer. Hydrogen will still use vast amounts of electricity to create, but if Hydrogen creation was concentrated into specific areas (say disused oil refineries) and electricity generated from green or emission free sources (such as nuclear, wind, tide, solar), then a pure emission free fuel can be created.

Distribution to vehicle users can then be through existing (adapted) filling stations. This will eliminate range anxiety and reduce the massive disruption that wiring the planet for electric cars would create.

The great thing is that only water is created when burning hydrogen, a perfect solution.

Yet water vapour is a greenhouse gas too.

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By ireallyshouldknowthisbut
14th Dec 2021 20:28

Hats off to the Philip K Dick reference. As for the cars lovevly tax break shame about the phenomenal cost of the things. Looked at them, nearly died when I worked out the cost and sticking to my 15 year old vehicle for now. It moves and gets me there and doesn't involved making and more metal or plastic waste in the process.

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By Paul Crowley
15th Dec 2021 12:24

Re-use of a manufactured product more eco friendly than recycle the metal and make a new one

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Tornado
By Tornado
14th Dec 2021 20:58

Speaking to a client a few weeks ago about how his E-Tron is going and all is well apart from a few alarming quirks such as : from a starting range of 240 miles, switching on the SatNav dropped this immediately down to 200 miles.

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By TaxTeddy
15th Dec 2021 08:20

Did you see that Toyota have now introduced an $8 per month subscription so that your remote key fob will continue to work? Believe me, this is the thin end of the wedge. I have heard that buying a secondhand Tesla means that the company will reset all of the features so even if the previous owner paid for a "glow in the dark brake pedal", or whatever, you have to pay again to have that feature.

I honestly can't get excited about the white goods known as electric cars. A client asked me did I want to look round his new electric car (he knows I'm something of a petrol head) and seemed surprised when I asked him if he'd like to see my new washing machine.

In all honesty, I miss the days of my 4.6 litre Range Rover. It was like having a thunderstorm under the bonnet - fabulous. Mind you, it didn't work very often but that's Land Rover for you.

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By AK Employment Tax Services
15th Dec 2021 08:27

I accept that the case put forward by Rebecca is very strong. Those employers reading this article need to be aware that there are other considerations which need to be taken into account when looking at providing electric cars via a salary sacrifice scheme to employees. The main factor to take into account is the impact of early termination payments on the financial viability of such an arrangement. If you provide a car on a salary sacrifice scheme and the employee decides to resign during the period of the leasing arrangement then the early termination costs payable to the lessor can be considerable.
If the lessor is providing early termination insurance under the arrangement it is worth checking that the cover does include all eventualities. it is often the case that this will only pay out in limited circumstances.
I am aware others have been told that in the circumstance of an employee leaving during the period of the lease they would expect the employee to meet the early termination costs. But in reality this is unlikely to be able to be enforced given the potential size of the payment. Before considering this option I suggest the employer should consult with an employment lawyer

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By Open all hours
15th Dec 2021 08:28

Stop dreaming. Order an Audi TT, (mine, two weeks old, built to order and delivered inside 10 weeks).

White goods belong in the kitchen because when they acquire wheels they lose their soul.

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paddle steamer
By DJKL
15th Dec 2021 09:52

I agree with the whole of life car point (It is not just the running cost emissions but the manufacturing emissions).

I have done my bit over the years by spending most of my life driving older cars and in a fair few cases not even driving them as they needed fixed. (currently two cars in pieces in the garage)

I am also doing the same with replacing my stereo, currently buying some rather nice 1970s items, repairing and I also have a fairly large collection of 30s to 70s model trains which I buy and try to repair rather than buying current models.

Basically all the hoarders and the fixers of things were actually environmentally friendly rather than just mean, my father collecting string for reuse, his ball of rubber bands and his envelopes turned into notepads held with a bulldog clip all helped the planet.

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By Tornado
15th Dec 2021 10:37

Greta Thunberg may have accused the older generation of taking away her future, in fact it is generally the younger generations that are the main consumers of products that contribute to pollution such as throwing away clothes, cars, white goods and myriad other items that are not in poor condition, but have just gone out of fashion.

Like other contributors here, I generally only replace an item when it has worn out or has become so obsolete that it cannot be used any more.

The same with cars in particular. I buy good spec cars and keep them until they finally wear out which some of my clients cannot understand as they would never be seen dead in a car that is more than two years old. (Ironically when you are dead it is likely that you will travel in a hearse that is a number of years old).

It is all very well for Electric Cars to be promoted as the saviours of emission free travel, but the truth is far more complex than that and shows that there is an environmental cost for everything. Re-using or re-purposing products is far greener that re-cycling them, and I think we should concentrate more on that as well as reducing the manufacture of products that we do not actually need.

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By Hugo Fair
15th Dec 2021 10:48

"It is not just the running cost emissions but the manufacturing emissions" ... Quite, and lets not forget the transportation emissions (which depending on the manufacturing source can be mind-blowing).

Although not up to your standards with regards to cars (I'm OK with dismantling but there are always leftover bits if I try to reverse the process), I inadvertently became the local repair shop during the first lockdown last year. People would leave things that 'had never worked' (e.g. a desk-lamp belonging to their parents) by my garden gate ... and return a few days later to see if it was one of the fully re-wired (and cleaned) objects gleaming in the sunlight.

With stereo components (aka Hi-Fi) you are definitely best chasing down original items from 1968 - 1979 - especially if British makes. Earlier models tended to be a bit 'experimental' and later ones fell to the Great British Manufacturing disease ... but there are some stunning amps and speakers from the heyday (and even the neglected turntables included workhorse models like the Garrard Lab 80).
Although vendors have started to wake up to the value of those neglected boxes, there are still bargains to be had ... with the joy of listening to real music as the pay-off.

And your father was right (as I'm sure you know). For over 20 years my business never bought paper-pads (the blank backs of unwanted paperwork served fine even when we'd grown to 20+ staff ... and used envelopes also went into the mix, leading to the occasion when my co-founder pointed out we'd literally designed something 'on the back of an envelope').

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By DJKL
15th Dec 2021 11:57

To date I am replacing the stereo I originally bought (secondhand) in 1978 and which my spouse, post our marriage, made me give away. The one I more recently had in Sweden, which was a bit more recent, has mainly had to be abandoned there (though do not really mind as utilitarian rather than loved)

So Deck re-acquired is the Garrard DD75 with Shure M75ED Cart, I have bought one on e bay but need to sort out the pots as whilst it works speed is a mess.

Re speakers a pair of Wharfedale Dentons now acquired, I have given up the Glendales I had in Sweden and gone smaller as limit to how loud we can go in Edinburgh given neighbours. (In Sweden the only things spooked by Spinal Tap on 11 were the Moose in the forest)

In similar vein currently seeking the elusive Sansui AU101 amp, it is low powered but very warm sounding, catch is they are now really popular and I keep getting outbid on E Bay.

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By Hugo Fair
15th Dec 2021 12:44

Well, I'm sure the moose are grateful(ly) dead by now.
I find the best thing is to co-ordinate my aural returns to childhood experiences with the neighbour's excursions to wherever it is they go ... we've stayed friends for over 40 years so it appears to be a viable solution!
BTW I presume your spouse realises that you have started up the reverse of the slippery slope (the trudge uphill) ... and will be tracking down 'upgrades' forever!

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By DJKL
15th Dec 2021 13:05

I think once the kit is bought that will be it re equipment, I tend to get comfortable with what I have (I still have my 1970s/80s Sennheiser headphones and extension cable though they need new foam)

However when the vinyl is eventually collected from Sweden, and possibly catalogued in whatever order I on whim determine (Hi Fidelity), I suspect there could well be more vinyl additions via E bay etc.

I handily have a rather large Ikea unit I used to use in my study for client lever arch files, the shelves are spot on size for vinyl and it is over twice the size needed to house the current collection, so given there is a good size recess in son's bedroom which will nicely house it all once he obliges and departs for the States on a permanent basis I will hopefully get a second sitting room/music room to enjoy with My Precious.

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By Hugo Fair
15th Dec 2021 13:49

Sounds well planned ... although I don't envisage you as Gollum somehow!

My dedication to vinyl outlasted my wife, so she's not around to see my specially constructed cabinets (ground floor) for the albums, nor the industrial racking (in the cellar) for the 45s. I'm glad to have retained them all, but she was right in the sense that they now consume more space than I do in a typical day.
And now the (adult) kids want me to catalogue it all, using a very non HI Fidelity category of value (so that they don't get it wrong when I'm gone) ... so thoughtful of them!

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By DJKL
15th Dec 2021 17:28

My Brother in Law ,who unlike me properly collects, he once made me wear surgical gloves to touch some George Harrison artificat/special edition he had acquired, has a friend of similar inclination who is mentioned in his will as the person responsible for realising his collection. (And that includes the volumes of Betamax recordings he still has from programmes like the OGWT)

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By Tornado
15th Dec 2021 17:35

"George Harrison artificat/special edition"

I think I had one of those which I softened in boiling water and turned into a fruit bowl.

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By meadowsaw227
15th Dec 2021 10:28

I have a client who has an E Pace, 3 years old and less than 10k on the clock and his wife a 71 plate Volvo XC60( just been renewed from another XC60) , the E pace has never done a long journey and hardly ever leaves the front drive.
I can achieve 550+ miles a tank in my diesel and until electric gets anywhere near it is a no brainer to stick to diesel.

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By lh3f9764bg1g
15th Dec 2021 10:40

And on that 550+ mile journey it will be a simple, quick and slick operation to top up.

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Tornado
By Tornado
15th Dec 2021 10:56

Another point to note with electric cars is that HMRC will need to devise ways to collect more and more taxes on the use of electric vehicles and the electricity used and eventually it will become just as expensive to use them as more conventional forms of propulsion.

Also don't forget that if you want to install a fast charger at home, you will probably require a three phase electricity supply to be installed although probably for most people, an long overnight charge will suffice.

The government incentives to go electric remind me of colour printers, buy the printer in a bargain deal but pay through the nose for the ink to make it work.

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By djn
16th Dec 2021 10:42

Tornado wrote:

Another point to note with electric cars is that HMRC will need to devise ways to collect more and more taxes on the use of electric vehicles and the electricity used and eventually it will become just as expensive to use them as more conventional forms of propulsion.

Also don't forget that if you want to install a fast charger at home, you will probably require a three phase electricity supply to be installed although probably for most people, an long overnight charge will suffice.

The government incentives to go electric remind me of colour printers, buy the printer in a bargain deal but pay through the nose for the ink to make it work.


Pointless installing a 3 phase supply when it will only charge at 11kw compared to a 7kw standard one.
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By John R
15th Dec 2021 10:57

Rebecca - thank you for that but one important factor you did not mention is that claiming 100% capital allowances at the current 19% is great for cash flow but when the vehicle is sold the proceeds will be deducted from the pool which in many cases will give rise to a CT liability at 26.5%. Some electric cars have surprisingly low depreciation rates. For example a Tesla Model X purchased in September 202o is now worth about the same. This may be an extreme case but I am certainly warning my clients that the attractive 100% FYA is not necessarily all it's cracked up to be.

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By free-rider
15th Dec 2021 12:42

Seems that I will be going against the flow of the majority of the comments.

Swapped my personal Alfa for a Tesla company car 2 years this Christmas and can see no fault. FYA and all the car costs save CT and the BIK is literally non-existent. The range was advertised 330miles and after putting 28k miles on a clock it still does 300-330miles in town at speed below 50mph and c. 250 miles on a motorway at >70mph.

Can`t fault it and tbh I recommend electric cars to all my clients.

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By Justin Bryant
15th Dec 2021 14:16

Someone told me recently that after 7 years these Teslas become junk as Tesla do not do a post 7 year warranty and they are impossible (for others) to repair. Is that right?

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By Heating_installer
15th Dec 2021 22:47

Tesla do have a very 'Apple-esque' attitude to letting anyone else play with their tech i.e. they don't!
Tesla energy storage density has historically been the gold standard (but others are now catching up) which has made used Tesla parts the mainstay of the EV custom shops/converters this means there is a core of people who have reverse engineered the software but in no way enough (nor inclined, I suspect) to service/repair the growing fleet of used Teslas as per the traditional used car market but that was never the market they were aimed at.

EV's generally will need a new set of batteries every five to seven years (based on typical charging regimes), enquire about the cost (and enviromental impact) of this - usually amounts to substantially more than half of the original purchase price and makes a very big hole in the year on year running costs.
My personal opinion is that EV's as we have them now are very much a bridging technology while we get our heads round the very big and radical changes that we (humanity and the first world in particular) need to make to our way of life if we are to survive the century.

That said - as someone who has a professional foot in both electricity and gas supply industries and with no vested interests either way: as matters stand hydrogen is definately the future for most, on a cold day the gas grid supplies circa three times the energy of the total electrical grid supply capacity.
If we were to convert to electric heat and transport tomorrow it would need to be accompanied by a five-six fold increase in generation and DISTRIBUTION capacity (green or otherwise), despite the government policy being 'electric' precious little to nothing is happening to reinforce our predominately gas fired electrical base load and the distribution infrastructure is tottering - no amount of clever load switching and time of use tariffs (the real reason for your smart meter) will make up these shortfalls.
The closure of our coal fired stations and time expired Magnox reactors has been replaced with some green energy but more largely by North Sea/Channel interconnectors to the continent supplying French nuclear, Scandy hydro and central european LIGNITE!!!!! The loss (by caterstrophic breakdown that will take 12-18 months to repair) of half the AC/DC convertor capacity on the first French link has been a factor in recent energy price hikes as the domestic makeup is from gas firing. It all makes for good headlines at COP (no more coal in the UK) but is disingenuous and horribly insecure.
The beauty of hydrogen is that it is a cheap and easy way to store (renewable) electrical energy between generation and consumption, also the means of distributing it already exists.
Blue hydrogen (hydrogen from carboniferous feed stock) which will certainly have to make up a good portion of the initial supply (until green electrolytic sources catch up in capacity) makes it practical to bulk capture the carbon that is generated (and reuse it).
Hydrogen is not without many detail technical issues but the gas supply industry and appliance manufacturers are quietly getting on with the change 'back' to hydrogen (town gas was predominately hydrogen) look up the Hy-deploy project in Gateshead, H21 in Leeds and Keele University, coordinated and committed projects that have, in some cases, already been in progress for decades.
Boiler manufacturers are already shipping Hydrogen ready appliances (make sure you get one if replacing a boiler!) and JCB already market a range of Hydrogen burning excavators.
Expect the gas grid to be supplying drop in replacement of 20% Hydrogen/NG blend in the next five years and 100% Hydrogen within fifteen years.

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By lh3f9764bg1g
17th Dec 2021 08:30

Thanks for a very informative and interesting post. I've long thought that hydrogen must play a very important part of the solution - but there's lots of interesting information here. I never knew, for example, that town gas contained so much hydrogen.

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By Tornado
17th Dec 2021 09:00

Yes, thank you very much for this informative post.

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By Hugo Fair
17th Dec 2021 13:43

And another set of Thanks.
Hope you don't mind but I've copied it to a family member who works at BEIS in the green fuel arena ... as I sometimes feel they'd learn more from insights such as yours than the overpaid/unqualified 'advisers' on whom they depend so much!

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By Tornado
17th Dec 2021 14:12

A lot of people think that MTD has been driven by those that stand to make significant fortunes from it (e.g. The software developers).

The same can possibly be said about electric cars where there are vast amounts of money to be made from digging up the roads for new cables and the installation of millions of charging points and myriad other associated money making projects, including the very expensive 'essential' industry for properly disposing of billions of used batteries and ensuring that the toxic elements do not kill us.

It is refreshing to hear from those that really know from experience what the situation really is and what the future could realistically look like.

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By Hugo Fair
17th Dec 2021 15:44

And like MTD, the money (sorry contracts) are awarded in inverse proportion to the competence of supplier.

There is now a charge-point attached to the lamp-post outside my front-door - that promptly resulted in a neighbour breaking her leg.

How? Because unlike all the other installations that I've seen, the socket was set on the side facing away from the road ... so the first person to use it had no option but to have great loops of cable in the air above the pavement, before it meandered back to their car.
And of course the charging was over night, so the cable was near invisible in the dark ... I couldn't have designed a better leg-trap for the elderly if I tried!

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By Tornado
17th Dec 2021 16:06

My first thoughts about charging points on lamp-posts was that there will be countless people with their car in the driveway and the charging leads laid across the pavement to get to the lamp-post. (Possibly taped to the pavement with some sellotape to make them safer!).

Perhaps the world is so polluted that people now have mushy brains which makes it impossible for them to properly think through projects like this .... or perhaps the lure of pot loads of money is the real problem.

I wonder who picks up the compensation for the broken leg, the car owner or the Council. Whoever it is will surely get a big bill for this.

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By djn
16th Dec 2021 10:53

Justin Bryant wrote:

Someone told me recently that after 7 years these Teslas become junk as Tesla do not do a post 7 year warranty and they are impossible (for others) to repair. Is that right?


8 year battery warranty so wouldn't think that is correct.
Tesla's own data seems to show a 10-15% degradation rate over 200,000 miles for the Model X. With the assumption that the average driver only travels 13,500 miles a year, that's 10-15% degradation over an almost 15 year period.
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By free-rider
19th Dec 2021 13:37

Justin Bryant wrote:

Someone told me recently that after 7 years these Teslas become junk as Tesla do not do a post 7 year warranty and they are impossible (for others) to repair. Is that right?

I have charged my Tesla to 90% last night and it shows estimated range of 282 miles, i.e. c 310 miles on full charge. Obviously, the software calculates estimate based on the pattern of driving the last 30 miles which in my case was a trip from Kent to London with mixed speeds between being stuck in traffic to 80mph.

Older Teslas had different batteries and those lasted less than the current new batteries. I was recently driving the 65 plate Model S for a week and a half and it was constantly making c. 200-220 miles on a full charge (that`s a loss of c. 40-50 miles range) but that`s on an older battery.

Think it`s more scaremongering than reality.

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By djn
16th Dec 2021 10:49

free-rider wrote:

Seems that I will be going against the flow of the majority of the comments.

Swapped my personal Alfa for a Tesla company car 2 years this Christmas and can see no fault. FYA and all the car costs save CT and the BIK is literally non-existent. The range was advertised 330miles and after putting 28k miles on a clock it still does 300-330miles in town at speed below 50mph and c. 250 miles on a motorway at >70mph.

Can`t fault it and tbh I recommend electric cars to all my clients.


I have done exactly the same. Gone from a 3ltr diesel A8 to a model 3.
Absolutely no issues. Saving a fair bit on taxes overall as my dividend is replaced by the net monthly cost. The charging cost is a fraction of the cost of diesel too so the saving over 4 years is incredible.
I don;t travel many miles and lot of mine are short journeys so not getting near the 330 ish mile official range at the moment but then neither did I ever get near the 40mpg of the old car.
The tesla supercharger network is so good that range anxiety really is a red herring and people stress too much about things that are not an issue. Plus 30mins to get from 0-80% at a 250kw supercharger is hardly a big deal is it?
I would be more concerned with charging on a long journey if I had any other manufacturer but with a Tesla it really isn't an issue.
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By kevinringer
16th Dec 2021 15:32

Do accountants dream of electric cars? No, retirement.

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By BJNATHAN
20th Dec 2021 22:44

Rebecca mentions a extra 5p per passenger per mile
can be claimed on business journeys.

Does that passenger need to be a employee of the company to claim the the extra 5p?

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