Fourth time unlucky for HMRC at Supreme Court
What were HMRC lawyers thinking when they decided to fight Smith & Williamson’s employee benefit trust case all the way to the Supreme Court?
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Surely if HMRC's opinion was correct then the change in the law was not needed.
The cost in persuing this case would have been better spent in persuing real liabilities.
The precise circumstances of the case may not be able to re-occur, but HMRC's attitude and behaviour will ... and do with alarming frequency.
It's like watching a 3-year old being told they can't have what they've (randomly) decided they want and being given the opportunity to justify their demand ...
'cos (sob) .. 'cos (gulp) .. 'cos (tears) ...... it's just not fair (screamed)!
I wouldn't mind so much if it was not our taxpayer's money being spent on these rubbish, hopeless arguments. HMRC are basically totally unaccountable, which is why this sort of crazy nonsense is allowed to happen in the 1st place. See also:
https://www.accountingweb.co.uk/any-answers/well-done-to-the-sc
Insane?.................have you only just realised this? (Typing while I continue my 32 minute [so far] wait to get an answer to their buggering up an RTI system with their update).
Sadly this is not the first nor the last time that HMRC will pursue a hopeless cause.
I used to think that SOLS was a haven of common sense and a place where the zealots of HMRC, often pursuing a personal vendetta driven by envy, would be cut off at the pass and would not be allowed to waste taxpayer money.
I now know that to be untrue and SOLS is either unable or unwilling to advise an HMRC that following a particular argument will be hopeless in terms of legal analysis and hopeless in terms of abiding with the LSS.
Why is HMRC not subject to oversight in these situations?
It's a constant frustration that HMRC is unaccountable to any party that actually matters.
Or could it just be that "clever" accountants use a bit of tax legislation in a way it was never intended to be used and therefore HMRC had to close it down and try to recoup some of lost revenue ? .
No. There is no such thing as a free lunch. GAAP recognises this fact by requiring the cost of the supposedly free-lunch (shares actually) to be debited to the P&L. As tax profits are measured by GAAP absent any special rule to the contrary (which there wasn't at the time) S&W didn't need to be clever but merely doughty in the face of HMRC's persistent attempts to deny relief.
The blocking legislation is another part of the scandal. There is a cost of giving employees shares or allowing them to subscribe for new shares at a discount: the value of the existing shares are diluted. It's wrong for the tax system to no longer recognise this, especially as often the value is subjected to PAYE & NIC as if it was a cash payment.
About time HMRC was limited to applying the law as it is, rather than making it up as they go!
Simple fact is that EBTs are and have always been a way of avoiding tax more specifically NI. Yet, during the pandemic many of those who didn't pay NI were first in line for medical and financial assistance for them and their families. Our tax system stinks to high heaven and cases like this just highlight it regardless of HMRC's debatable decision making process.
It would appear to be a case of barristers needing some fee income and having a sucker for a client with deep pockets.
Ifrs2 p/l charges are not a real cost to the business might have something going for it as an argument i would have thought. There is no cost to the company of issuing share options the cost is borne by existing shareholders having their returns diluted.
I have no knowledge or interest in the underlying case. However, the answer to the question as to why HMRC pursued this to the end is a simple one. Why wouldn't they?
Costs don't matter to them - as a public body they can't go bust as such, so have no financial imperative to consider. Unlike any other commercial business or private individual there is no downside to them losing. No financial responsibility, no reputational issue. Nothing.
The only way to stop this behaviour would be to adopt a judicial principle which said that anyone - utility company, debt collector, HMRC etc - who tried wrongly to claim a sum of money off another party should automatically have to pay the other party double the amount of the claim.
Sadly, with HMRC acting as the government's debt collector - it ain't gonna happen.
I don't know about HMRC acting as the Government's debt collector - If they were acting on my behalf I'd sack them. What about the Covid mess and they reckon they (the Government's debt collectors) might recover a quarter.
When they use outside debt collectors and don't even bother to update them you have to think their systems are not fit for purpose.
But then I expect most of them are sat at home with a laptop on the kitchen table trying hard to read the morning paper when work doesn't intervene. One wonders whether GDPR is being observed. I wouldn't want to think of clients' data being available to the spouse and children as they eat their lunch. Or hadn't they thought of that?
It was a long time ago that one expected and found competence at HMRC (actually it was the Inland Revenue then) - suddenly they got computers and thought everything was sorted and done for them. What a joke!
Their belief in the rubbish they spout is mind-blowing. They expect computers to be the panacea to all tax woes whereas the reverse is the case. GIGO we used to say in the old days and it hasn't changed if you put rubbish in you get rubbish out. Look at all the plcs who have suffered disaster because of computer error. Carillion being one of them and close to HMG as a major supplier but there are many others. I expect HMRC is full of graduates from university, working from home, with little or no knowledge of the tax system and probably 'trained' online as well. So no surprises that they are so inept.
And yes WE ARE PAYING FOR THIS BUNCH OF IDIOTS!
Look at all the plcs who have suffered disaster because of computer error. Carillion being one of them and close to HMG as a major supplier but there are many others.
Also the Horizon scandal, where Royal Mail chose to believe that thousands of sub-postmasters throughout the country simultaneously decide to steal, rather than investigating the far more obvious explanation of computer error.
"Its primary outcome is to highlight the bloody-minded determination that HMRC so often appears to exhibit when pushing a weak case in pursuit of a sizeable chunk of tax."
As it is Aweb's view (and that of most of the respondents above) that HMRC have pursued this litigation contrary to HMRC's LSS, I suggest that Aweb puts that point to HMRC's press office and reports back to us their response.
https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploa...
That’s the point, the only thinking HMRC does in cases such as this is think it’s right. It pursues issues from a narrow perspective driven by the LSS, “we think we are right, therefore we are right, we think!”
Then again, the SC can be also blamed to a degree by encouraging HMRC with biased decisions in their favour like this (with the same HMRC tax barristers I note): https://www.accountingweb.co.uk/tax/hmrc-policy/final-whistle-blows-on-r...
https://www.accountingweb.co.uk/tax/hmrc-policy/9am-lowdown-rangers-fc-w...